peter atwood prybaby

[neill116]

I'm looking into getting hold of a basic prybaby, like this;
http://www.phlaunt.com/atwoodknives/10959617.php
and i thought it might be an idea for a group buy.
I have emailed Peter Atwood and he reckons he will knock off 10% if i buy 10. :)
ie 10 for $315 this is about £17.40 each
but there is also postage over here and possible customs charges to be included and the uk p&p
Any idea how much the customs fee would be?
Is anybody interested in this general idea?
I've not done a group buy before but i think this could work, i'm just waiting to hear how much the postage will be from the US.
What do ya think?

[Cones]

Love the idea! :) Group buys are great. :D

Please put me down for one if this goes ahead.

I think Customs will be 17.5% of the total shipped package including postage. There could also be a 5% ?? (Help pleae) duty fee as well. Plus the post office or parcel farce fee for taking the money off you £10-15.

I am sure others may know this in a little more detail.

Hope this works out. They look to be great tools. I had a need for one the other day. The LM Micra had to do! ;)

Thanks

Mark

[neill116]

These are the postal options i have been given:

Well, I checked with UPS and it would be $60 to ship with them but you get real tracking.
With the US Post Office the cost would be $25 for
Express Mail but you don't get tracking and no guarantees if it is lost but it gets there in a few days.
With Global Priority Mail from the US post Office it would be $10 but no tracking and no insurance and it gets there in a week or so.
Now it's a question of doing the maths!!! :C

[neill116]

This is the info i have re customs charges:
There are customs charges only on goods valued over GBP18 (merchandise) or over GBP36 (gifts).

Over these amounts and you may be charged duty (usually around 5%, but it depends on the product) plus 17.5% VAT --- these percentages apply to the entire value of the item including shipping. In practice, it is generally pot-luck whether a dutiable package has fees levied on it by customs or not.

If customs charges are levied, there will also be a handling charge from the delivery company:
Post Office £4.00
ParcelForce £8.00
UPS £10.00 or 2% of goods value, whichever is larger
DHL £1.25 or 2% of goods value, whichever is larger
FedEx £4.50
SO...
$315 + 60 = 375
assume we get charged %5 = + $18.75 total = 393.75
17.5% of $393.75 = $68.91
TOTAL = $462.66
This works out at just over £25 each
Not included is the £4 post office fee!
plus UK p&p! Nooooooo...
Let me know what you think?
could be too expensive..?

[Stephen63]

I think that you would get 9 takers, even at £25, me for one for example....

The USPS Global priority is a good service that sometimes seems to smeak past the customs charges ;)

I know that it complicates things a little for you, but does the discount hold good if someone wanted, for example, one of the Titanium Prybaby's (http://www.phlaunt.com/atwoodknives/10968323.php) instead? It might also up the number of units bought.

Cheers,

[neill116]

I know that it complicates things a little for you, but does the discount hold good if someone wanted, for example, one of the Titanium Prybaby's instead? It might also up the number of units bought.
I will look into this as this develops but regarding numbers he only makes the prybabys in small batches and so 10 was the figure he gave me. I think the titanium ones are each custom designed and this may slow down the process, but i will ask anyway!!
cheers

[tomtom]

dam, i think £25 is a bit much for me to shell out on one of these.. i would have been in if it could be kept around the £18ish mark! cant you get peter to send them seperatly so that they dont go over the £18 mark and there for costoms charges etc dont apply?

[Tiffers]

I would imagine that if Peter was to send them out individually then the 10% discount would be gone as that discount probably reflects the time saved by just packing up one parcel of prybabies rather than 10 parcels.

Just my thought on it:)

Tiffers

[neill116]

Ok here is the alternative;
I asked what the cost would be to send them individually but this would be at full price and not insured or tracked.
It is $5 for the shipping for one or two shipped in the small Global Priority envelope, so $40 or $75 total.
Not sure if he will do the 10% off 10 and package them in pairs for $5 ( if i had 4 others to do this) if he did then that would be $68 for 2, $34 each = about £19 but this assumes no custom charge!!!
This is not an option as discount only applies to 10. Tiffers was right i think. :)
It may be best just to get 2 and hope they get through without custom charges!
Or go global priority mail for $10 and hope all goes well and get 10 for $325 = £18 :D each but everyone would have to know that should charges be applied it could be more like £25+

[Danzo]

I'm up for one. Do try and avoid UPS like you would avoid Leprosy though. The package will get full VAT, Duty, Import Tax, Luxury Tax, Thumb Tax and any other tax they can make up, and then a handling charge when ParcelTheft lie about not being able to deliver it.

:mad:

Danzo

[Beachlover]

If you decide to go ahead, then stick me down for one too :D

[Edd-UK]

if it stays around the £25pound mark then im in :)

[stonehard]

Put me down for one.
A little customisation on the bottle opener and you have a nifty little belt cutter so got to be time for a new key ring.

[Curious]

I know that it complicates things a little for you, but does the discount hold good if someone wanted, for example, one of the Titanium Prybaby's (http://www.phlaunt.com/atwoodknives/10968323.php) instead? It might also up the number of units bought.

Id be up for a titanium pry-baby, if possible,

If not, i would also be up for a plain one.

Thanks,

Dominic

[neill116]

Ok guys the list so far is

me
cones
stephen63
danzo
beachlover
edduk
stonehard
curious

that's 8 :D

I'm afraid ordering anything different is out of the question, i've tried but i'm in danger of really annoying Mr attwood!!

I think the best plan is to go for US post office Express Mail for $25 ( this avoids UPS -Danzo! :) , and reduces shipping costs).
This puts our total at $340 = about £19
If we get customs charges +5% +17.5%
the total is $420 = about £23.25
So with Uk postage our price range is between £20-£25
The only reservation i have is what happens if package goes missing (worst case scenario), I'm down nearly £190 and may lose testicle/s shortly after!! :C
I need your full backing on this.
Please let me know what you think and i'll put the order in ( i'm sure we'll get 2 more soon!! :) )

[Cones]

I think you are on the right track. :) USPS is excellent.

Only things I've ever had go missing from the US were some ARC's sent by FEDEX. The annoying thing is they still sent me the customs bill for the items they lost and the follow up threatning letter when I did not pay it. NEVER EVER EVER use FEDEX for anything if possible. Gits.

Thanks

Mark

[Beachlover]

I reckon go for it. I have lost more money on a good night out, so I'm happy to both trust you if you tell us its gone walkabout and to pay if it happens.

[Stephen63]

Neil,

Just go for it. Let us know how you want paying and you'll probably get the money before you have to pay your credit card bill.

Cheers,

[neill116]

Cool guys thanks for the support.
I think paypal payments will be fine or cheques if you like. Not sure if there are paypal fees?

[Kargol]

Put me down for one if you go ahead, the S30V suits me fine.
If worried by the vagaries of the international postage system, you could always ask folk for cash up front..? :ashamed05

[soa]

can't take credit card paypal unless you're business? then about 4% is what it works out at.

[neill116]

The list is now

me
cones
stephen63
danzo
beachlover
edduk
stonehard
curious
kargol

One to go!! :)

I have just upgraded my paypal account to a premier account which accepts credit card funded paypal payments but there will be a 4% fee. Thanks soa
I have placed the order with Peter Atwood and i'm waiting to hear about possible ETA.
Will keep you informed.
Starting to get excited!!! :D

[Cones]

:)

Mark

[tomtom]

tips were good this week, and i have wanted one for ages.. so go on then twist my arm!

put me down for one too!

[neill116]

The list is now

me
cones PAID
stephen63 PAID
danzo PAID
beachlover PAID
edduk PAID
stonehard PAID
damage1978 PAID
kargol PAID
tomtom PAID

Right that's all folks, no more for now!! :)
I'll keep you informed of progress :D

[Brangdon]

Is there a thread in which these are discussed and/or reviewed? (I don't want one - I already have two I bought a few months ago.)

[Hellz]

Is there a thread in which these are discussed and/or reviewed? (I don't want one - I already have two I bought a few months ago.)
I reviewed one here: Linky (http://hellzteeth.com/reviews/prybaby/prybaby.htm)

There are some threads about them, but not sure where... :rolleyes:

Hellz

[neill116]

There are some threads about them, but not sure where...

It was your review that sparked my interest and i've wanted one ever since!!!
Now all i need is a Gene Ingram and a Spyderco UK penknife and.........

[Damage1978]

:mad: DAMN http://deephousepage.com/smilies/conf45.gif I knew I should have logged on over the weekend.

If anyone drops out or the order can be increased count me in.

[soa]

I reviewed one here: Linky (http://hellzteeth.com/reviews/prybaby/prybaby.htm)

There are some threads about them, but not sure where... :rolleyes:

Hellz

Here? (http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=337732&page=2&pp=20&highlight=prybaby) - at least there's some discussion about their use ....

[Brangdon]

Soa - That link just gives me "sorry no matches". My own searches turned up a few mentions but not any proper reviews that I felt I could comment to with my own experience.

[soa]

revised link - some chat about them on Bladeforums (http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=337732&page=2&pp=20&highlight=prybaby)

[neill116]

Review on Hellz site

HellzTeeth.com

Dan, i've asked if he can do 11, we'll see. :)
If not your 1st reserve! :D

[neill116]

ok folks i've heard from mr atwood today;
Hi Neill,
>
> Working on them this morning. I have only 10 left at the moment I'm
> afraid. Will be a couple of weeks until I have another batch.
>
> Anyway, these will be ready to ship today. The total will be $340.
>
> A word on the shipping...these will be going USPS Express Mail which
> usually takes only a few days. However, there is no tracking and no
> insurance possible. If it does not make it I am NOT taking
> responsibility and will offer no refunds. I have yet to lose a shipment
> via Express Mail but I did lose one to Singapore via Global Priority
> Mail this year and ended up having to refund the guy's money. Very
> unpleasant. So, do you agree to take the risk?
:rolleyes:
I have agreed to this (and by default so have those on the list) and sent payment so should get them in a few days. I wont ask for payment in advance as we still dont know if our friends at HM customs will want some dosh!!! b****rds!! :C
So far the cost is £19.31 based on paypal's exchange rate.
I'll let you know what's happening when i do. :)
I'll keep you posted! :D

[Cones]

Thanks. Looking Good. :)

Mark

[Edd-UK]

wow that was quick, for some resoson i thought it would take weeks.

anyhoo thats great news. Thanks

[metalbudgie]

If anyone passes on the Prybaby or another order gets made up I'm in!

[JimN]

If anyone passes on the Prybaby or another order gets made up I'm in!

And me (I guess that makes me third reserve :) )

[neill116]

The good news is that they have arrived today safe and sound. :)
The bad news is that i had a note from Parcelforce which said there was £55.02 to pay before i could get them. :mad:
The fees were
£7.03 import duty
£34.49 vat
£13.50 parcel force clearance fee :X

So our total per prybaby is
£19.31+£5.50= £24.81
plus uk postage plus 3.5% paypal + .20p!
I think 1st class will be about 30-50p
or 1st or 2nd class recorded may be upto £1
I'll check this out tomorrow as i'm not sure of weights
If we assume recorded delivery of about £1 then the total per prybaby will be £26.91!

Let me know how you want them delivered and i will try and get them sent this week once i have final costs and payments.
:D
Neill

[Edd-UK]

:mad: doh that is bad news but atleast they arived safe :)

i would prefer 1st class recorded delivary. have you thought of package??

[Cones]

I'll be away for a week from tonight. So don't worry I'm not ignoring you. :)

I'll pay you when I get back on Sunday if that's OK?

Thanks

Mark

[neill116]

have you thought of package??

I have some bubble wrap and 2nd hand jiffy bags so wont cost anything.


I'll pay you when I get back on Sunday if that's OK?

No worries Cones, in your own time.

Just so everyone knows though i'm off to Portugal on the 19th so if i dont get payment before that it'll have to wait 2 weeks.( maybe should have sent them to Portugal to avoid duty but dont know their customs set up - anyone know?)

I'll let you know postage options tomorrow

[Curious]

Ah. Im afraid £27 is a bit too steep for me- I'm very sorry, but i just cant afford it at the moment, i believe damage1978 has first reserve.

Im very sorry about this, however, in the unlikely event someone dosent snap up my place, ill happily buy the prybaby anyway.

Sorry again,

Dominic

[Kargol]

Neill, when you know costs for 1st class recorded delivery postage, could you PM or e-mail me details of to whom you would like a cheque to be made payable, and to what address you'd like it sent, and i'll get payment to you ASAP.

Even though HM's revenue men and the Royal Mail took their pound of flesh, :mad: I'd still like to thank you sincerely for going through all the grief to try and get us a good deal!

It'll still make a nice prezzie for myself.
It's my party and i'll pry if I want to... :D

[stonehard]

It's my party and i'll pry if I want to... oooooh oooohhhh oooooh
________________

[neill116]

Postage costs are as follows
1st class 30p
2nd class 21p
1st class recorded 96p
2nd class recorded 87p

Please let me know how you are paying and which postage option you want and i will pm you with total costs and my details.

What party - i never get invited!!! ;)

[Damage1978]

Ah. Im afraid £27 is a bit too steep for me- I'm very sorry, but i just cant afford it at the moment, i believe damage1978 has first reserve.


Curious,
I'm sorry your missing out on this mate, but yay me. :jumping43

[Edd-UK]

pm sent

[neill116]

Damage1978 & Edd-UK both little babies sent today. You can pry if you want to :D

[Edd-UK]

Damage1978 & Edd-UK both little babies sent today. You can pry if you want to :D
:happy15: :banana: :banana: :banana:

[Damage1978]

Damage1978 & Edd-UK both little babies sent today. You can pry if you want to :D

http://deephousepage.com/smilies/thumb.gif

[Damage1978]

Received today.

Many thanks

[Edd-UK]

mine was delivered but i was out so will have to pick it up tomorrow.

thanks

[neill116]

Beachlover yours is on it's way! :D

[Beachlover]

Beachlover yours is on it's way! :D
And arrived safely this morning :D
Thanks for all the time and effort a group buy must have taken you.
Now to find things to pry, open and screw :rolleyes:

[Edd-UK]

picked it up today :)

cool little bit of kit, many thanks again ;)


:)

[neill116]

Kargol, yours is on it's way!

[tomtom]

Neil.. i have really lost track of whats going on here.. could you PM me the total amount that i owe you! Cheers!

[neill116]

Neil.. i have really lost track of whats going on here.. could you PM me the total amount that i owe you! Cheers
pm sent

[Kargol]

Thanks Neill, arrived safely today.
Apparently Robert Smith was wrong, Boys DO Pry... :D

If I could have worked out how to get Pry Me a River in there as well, I would have done.

Anyway, thanks a lot, it's small, funky, well made and eminently carryable on all occasions, total Pry Freedom in fact.

Ouch.

I'll go now :rolleyes:

[neill116]

Danzo and Tomtom, yours were posted today!

[Cones]

PM sent. :D

Mark

[neill116]

Stephen63 and Stonehard yours were sent today!

[Danzo]

Just arrived, and I happened to have a late start so no trip to the depot!

:biggthump

It's smaller than I expected, which is excellent as I was worrying it might be a bit bulky. I think I'm going to get a leather wallet for it and the PocketWrench to sit in a back pocket.

Danzo

[neill116]

Cones i mailed yours today!
Ok that's all of them done and dusted!! :D


I think I'm going to get a leather wallet for it
I'd be interested to hear about any carrying suggestions, it seems like it would probably wear out my pocket and could be uncomfortable! Maybe we should have a contest to see who can make the best carry suggestion.
I would like to combine it with an edc knife belt pouch. I'm thinking of getting a Spydie Uk penknife - may try and make a pouch to combine the two.

Let me know how you carry yours!! ;)

Neill

[soa]

I'd be interested to hear about any carrying suggestions, it seems like it would probably wear out my pocket and could be uncomfortable! Maybe we should have a contest to see who can make the best carry suggestion.
I would like to combine it with an edc knife belt pouch.

See this thread (http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12238)

[Cones]

Cones i mailed yours today!
Ok that's all of them done and dusted!! :D


Many Thanks. :biggthump

Mark

[stonehard]

Mne arrived today thanks neall. I searched around to try and find uses for it but found few in a flowershop. the I found the ultimate use. You talk about it when people come into the shop. "whats that fingy mate. "its a prybaby" what? I said a prybaby, a baby prybar. corr thats cool. So you want to buy some Roses then. Ere yes I suppose so.

[Brangdon]

I eventually found I could fit mine into my bi-fold wallet. My wallet has a zipped coin pouch, and the Prybaby stands up in it with the end just peaking out. If I'm lucky the coins lie to the side of it, so it doesn't add thickness to the wallet.

If anyone has both Prybaby and PocketWrench, I'd love to see a comparative review. The PocketWrench looks like it might be more useful.

[Cones]

Got mine today in the post.

Many Thanks. :D

It's about twice the size I thought it was going to be. :O

Looks like it will last forever. :D

Mark

[Edd-UK]

Looks like it will last forever. :D


opens bottles a treat too :D

but a little suggestion to every one, don't forget to protect it like you would any s30v blade. mine got a little damp and the next day there was a few rusty red stains forming :O . a quick rub with a bit of ren wax sorted it tho.

happy prying everybody :)

[Stephen63]

Stephen63 and Stonehard yours were sent today!

Arrived safely thanks.

Now I'm wondering what to do with it, but I do think that it's cute, a real baby!

[Danzo]

Arrived safely thanks.

Now I'm wondering what to do with it, but I do think that it's cute, a real baby!

As I have the addresses of those people who have tried to burgle my house, I am going to use my prybaby to burgle their houses and scare their kids,

;)

Danzo

[Danzo]

.....of course I won't scare their kids.

That would be bad and wrong.

Danzo

[Stephen63]

I feel a new thread coming on - "What do you do with yours...?"

Stonehard uses his as a talking point in his shop,
Danzo uses his for revenge burglaries,
and I've used mine to open a bottle of beer!

[Kargol]

Fixed a binding machine with mine today.
Well, freed the two stuck binding 'punches' in the machine, which had been taken apart with an allen key and my LM Wave.
Having fixed the recalcitrant b*stard and feeling rather pleased with myself; it's replacement arrived having been ordered the day before.
My chagrin tempered by the fact I've probably just inherited a £600 binding machine... :D
Well done Mr Atwood, not even scratched!