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johnbaz
08-01-12, 01:00 AM
Hi all


I just acquired a Webley mk1 air rifle from around 1927 in 177cal!!

The rifle is an early-ish one with acid etching rather than the impressed text that is common to the majority of the mk1 run..

The mk1 with acid etching is markedly more scarce than the other type and I consider myself very lucky to have found one in very good condition for a gun that's almost 85 year old :O

I've been going to buy this rifle for well over a year now but every time I got close to the asking price, other nice guns were offered so I had to bite the bullet and start turning guns down to ensure that I got it :P

Some pics of it..
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/johnbaz/guns/Wmk1a.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/johnbaz/guns/Wmk1g.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/johnbaz/guns/Wmk1p.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/johnbaz/guns/Wmk1ze.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/johnbaz/guns/Wmk1zf.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/johnbaz/guns/Wmk1za.jpg


In the pipeline are- a BSA Buccaneer, a HW90, a Webley Vulcan Ks, a BSA Airsporter mk1 & mk2 in 177 and another Original mod50, a very early one with no date!..

I just have to earn enough wonga to pay for them all :lol:


John :)

GavinSingh
08-01-12, 01:18 AM
Awww John, you make me all nostalgic! I'm not as old as this beautiful Mk 1, but I owned a couple of those rifles and always wanted the HW. The other one I've always wated (but haven't seen in many years) is the BSF Bavaria. If you ever see one, I'd be seriously interested. Congratulations on aquiring a lovely rifle, Gav

Chastiser
08-01-12, 01:23 AM
nice rifle. waiting to see the airsporter pics as i had one new in the 70's, loved it but sold it for some new cans for my norton interstate :(, the things we regret eh?

johnbaz
08-01-12, 01:36 AM
Hi Gav

At around the same time as the VCR bill was imposed, I found a BSF54 but with a standard stock..
It was like new and hanging on the wall of an antiques emporium here in Sheffield..

The price on the rifle was 175, you could sometimes haggle too!!

I walked out without the rifle and to this day I just don't know why:C

I had more than enough in my pocket to buy it :S

I went back a week later to buy it and it had gone :mad::mad:

Chas

Here's some of the Airsporters I already have (every one is 22cal:huh: )


Mk1 and mk2..
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/johnbaz/guns/rifleAirsportermk1and2s-1.jpg

Airsporter RB2 carbine
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/johnbaz/guns/rifleairsporterRB2a.jpg

Stutzen..
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/johnbaz/guns/rifleairsporterstutzen-1.jpg


The mk1 with Tiger striping stock..
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/johnbaz/guns/rifleBSAmk1airsportera.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/johnbaz/guns/rifleBSAmk1airsporterc.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/johnbaz/guns/DSC_5276.jpg


John :)

John56
08-01-12, 01:51 AM
Yet another lovely acquisition John.

Chastiser
08-01-12, 02:30 AM
thanks indeed for those airsporter pics. mine was .22 as well. mine seemed to have a lighter coloured stock, but that could just be a fading memory :pirate:

dogman
08-01-12, 08:43 AM
thanks indeed for those airsporter pics. mine was .22 as well. mine seemed to have a lighter coloured stock, but that could just be a fading memory :pirate:

I also had a 70's airsporter, yours sounds like mine, ie a light i think beech stock. I found mine to be under powerd, and with the fixed sights in accurate, so i sold it.

Got a Bsa major cadet, which was a wedding present fom my mum to my dad. Sadly its in a bit of a state, as it has had a lot of use over the years.

Rob

Iron Hoarder
08-01-12, 09:31 AM
Very Nice!! You can sell me all the old pocket knives you find while out booting and scrounging and then you could buy more air guns.:happy14::rolleye11

dogotter
08-01-12, 11:57 AM
Looks ace that!
Were there old rifles subject to the 12Ftlb laws that we have now?
Cheers,
Bill

jerbal
08-01-12, 12:08 PM
I have an old BSA Cadet .177 which belonged to my dad and I occasionally take it out of the wardrobe to put a couple of pellets through it. Last time was a few months ago when we had mice on the yard and they were getting a bit cheeky so they needed thinning out.

Vonny
08-01-12, 02:11 PM
Sweet buy John :)

Chastiser
08-01-12, 02:28 PM
gotta say, looking back on the pics, that stutzen is fantastic.

johnbaz
08-01-12, 02:35 PM
Hi

Chas and Rob- yours were probably a mk5 or mk6, the stocks were stained a lighter shade (they were made od Beech rather than Walnut)..

Like this..
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/johnbaz/guns/airsporter.jpg

Bill

I don't think that the 12ft lbs limit came in until the 60's or 70's but even if a rifle was made before that, it's ilegal if it shoots with more muzzle energy..

I have a Cadet but not a Cadet Major so that's on my list of guns to get :P
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/johnbaz/guns/Cadetandmillitia1.jpg


Cheers, John:)

silentman
08-01-12, 02:39 PM
gotta say, looking back on the pics, that stutzen is fantastic. I have a stutzen too, it's one L of a gun!

dogman
08-01-12, 06:19 PM
Thanks for the photo's of the cadet & the 70's sporter, looks a slightly different barrel though !.

That stutzen is to me anyway, the best looking rifle ever made.

Nice collection John, i've also got a tx200(in left hand)& a realy old webley pistol.

Rob

psycho
08-01-12, 06:42 PM
very nice mark 1
with the etching very scarce must be one of 3 in existance
unlike the other rifles shown on this page that gun must be woth in excess of 1000 to any collector
and in the right auction may hit 2 grand what a find
it litrally is the holy grail of webley rifles its like finding a early radell knife with all the markings o the blade wow

johnbaz
08-01-12, 07:32 PM
Thanks for the photo's of the cadet & the 70's sporter, looks a slightly different barrel though !.

That stutzen is to me anyway, the best looking rifle ever made.

Nice collection John, i've also got a tx200(in left hand)& a realy old webley pistol.

Rob

Rob

The Airsporter pic I put up had been barrel chopped, re crowned and a long Ox Neutraliser silencer fitted..

It would have originally looked like this on the barrel end but with a tunnel fitted..
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/johnbaz/guns/rifleairsportermk6.jpg


Cheers, John :)

dogman
08-01-12, 09:30 PM
Rob

The Airsporter pic I put up had been barrel chopped, re crowned and a long Ox Neutraliser silencer fitted..

It would have originally looked like this on the barrel end but with a tunnel fitted..
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/johnbaz/guns/rifleairsportermk6.jpg


Cheers, John :)

Thanks John, that is as i remember it. My airsporter was a disapointment to me, i had wanted one for many years, & when i finaly got one it was sadly lacking. Though i do realise that like a lot of other English buisness's of the time, quality contol was not at its best.

Rob

se7en
08-01-12, 09:36 PM
The stutzen caught my eye as well,a very purposeful looking beasty.

johnbaz
08-01-12, 09:46 PM
very nice mark 1
with the etching very scarce must be one of 3 in existance
unlike the other rifles shown on this page that gun must be worth in excess of 1000 to any collector
and in the right auction may hit 2 grand what a find
it litrally is the holy grail of webley rifles its like finding a early radell knife with all the markings o the blade wow

Thanks Psycho

I realised they were a rarety but I didn't realise there were so few of them:O


Cheers, John:)

psycho
09-01-12, 08:04 PM
hi john,

there are 80 odd mark 1s known to exist
around 30 are in .177 and only a fraction are the etched models the majority 3 quarters are the roled models with the patents stamped into them

try and find air gunner march 2009 it tells you all about them and has the pictures of the number 86
the 86 is the only mark 1 in existance with all the etching in place until yours turned up !!!!!!!

that is why i said one of 3 as there may be another the one sold from the webley museum did not have as much etchings as yours of the others some have a tiny bit of etching others have none at all
and that was the museum one

another way to look at the rarity there are 80 odd in existance that means only 80 odd persons could collect a mark 1,2,and 3

also the number 86 is not perfect it has had a repair on the bottom of the stock as it say in air gunner its a common fault on a mark 1

hope this helps

paul

HPFlashman
10-01-12, 07:39 PM
Wonderful piece, a postive gun grab... :)

johnbaz
11-01-12, 03:53 PM
hi john,

there are 80 odd mark 1s known to exist
around 30 are in .177 and only a fraction are the etched models the majority 3 quarters are the roled models with the patents stamped into them

try and find air gunner march 2009 it tells you all about them and has the pictures of the number 86
the 86 is the only mark 1 in existance with all the etching in place until yours turned up !!!!!!!

that is why i said one of 3 as there may be another the one sold from the webley museum did not have as much etchings as yours of the others some have a tiny bit of etching others have none at all
and that was the museum one

another way to look at the rarity there are 80 odd in existance that means only 80 odd persons could collect a mark 1,2,and 3

also the number 86 is not perfect it has had a repair on the bottom of the stock as it say in air gunner its a common fault on a mark 1

hope this helps

paul

Hi Paul

I took a couple of pics of the mk1/2 and mk3..

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/johnbaz/guns/Mk123a.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/johnbaz/guns/Mk123b.jpg


Cheers, John :)

psycho
11-01-12, 11:16 PM
Very nice collection

I would love a mark 1 but would be lucky to afford a mark 3

but i do have a full set of barrals in .25 .22 and .177 barrals for a mark 2

so if you know anyone who wants a set all matching serial numbers :-) (I WISH)

very nice to see your set i am envious

its nice to see the style change

johnbaz
12-01-12, 04:47 PM
Very nice collection

I would love a mark 1 but would be lucky to afford a mark 3

but i do have a full set of barrals in .25 .22 and .177 barrals for a mark 2

so if you know anyone who wants a set all matching serial numbers :-) (I WISH)

very nice to see your set i am envious

its nice to see the style change

Hi


PM'd you :)


Cheers, John :happy72:

joe
12-01-12, 11:33 PM
very nice ,was telling my mate about your purchase ,and he said he has a webley mark 2 with 177 and 22 barels in mint condition , any idea where he can get a price for it

johnbaz
14-01-12, 11:46 AM
very nice ,was telling my mate about your purchase ,and he said he has a webley mark 2 with 177 and 22 barels in mint condition , any idea where he can get a price for it

Hi Joe

Are you sure your friends rifle isn't a Webley Hawk mk2??, they come with the two interchangable barrels and are a little more common than the Webley mk2 (Service) rifle..

I've had a Hawk mk2 in the past and two mk1 Hawks and a mk3 Hawk (the mk3 has a normal break barrel and isn't interchangable as with the previous two)

If it indeed a mk2 Service in mind condition with two barrels, i'd say it would be worth over 500, probably more (i'm not too up on prices)..



Cheers, John :)

joe
14-01-12, 09:39 PM
could well be a hawk will find out. just know its in mint condition

elmerfud78
29-10-13, 12:29 AM
Hi there. Clutching at straws here but dont spose you have those mk2 barrel trio still do you?

Got a pretty decent mk2 but need a .25cal barrel and also a 22. Also looking for a mk1 rifle complete if you know anyone on the forum that may part for the right money?

Any reply greatly appreciated