View Full Version : 12 Wilky Dartmoor Blades for sale on Ebay
Added this interested sale to an existing thread,, but thought it deserves a new one.. see this shortcut, its from the same seller who was selling the so called faulty Dartmoor..
All very strange..:huh:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6593918051&ssPageName=MERCOSI_VI_ROSI_PR4_PCN_BIX
imagedude
05-01-06, 11:19 PM
Your link doesn't work for me! Search for ebay item 6593918051 to see item. It would seem that the seller has bought the lask of Wilkinson's stock.
Try it now.. think i sorted it...
I'm sure a BB member could put them to some good use and make a nice profit while they're at it :)
Im up for it.. a nice custom handle may make all the difference..:)
Andy,
is that $175 for all 12? seems like a good buy.
Barry
Yeh.. thats the bid for all 12.. surely one of you guys can do something with these.. some nice ironwood and an slight adjustment to the blade profile = a very nice knife..:rolleyes:
damascusman9
05-01-06, 11:43 PM
ye i fink so 2
Danzo.. he aint far from you is he (the seller), perhaps you could nip in have a look at them..?
I have one of these, from the factory finished as intended. I'm in for another on a group buy.
I have EZsnipe if we can decide how much is a maximum we'd each like to pay (an average of each I suppose). I hope that's a help.
Phil.
I'm going back to notts this weekend
If you guys really want to run a group buy I'll collect them and post them out to people. I WONT organise it though.
(this reminds me I still haven't done anything with my lump of steel not unlike the dartmoor shape)
Fine with me, as long as i can then forward it to one of you guys who will finish it.. for a fee of course...
Hepotec
06-01-06, 12:22 AM
Count me in if this goes ahead.
Wayne D
06-01-06, 12:22 AM
sounds good to me I will have one if we can get them at a good price!
PHIL562
06-01-06, 12:28 AM
I'm in if I may
I reckon £15 + postage
At present they are at £8.25 each.. Think if its kept quiet and not advertised anywhere:C we may be in for a good deal, I dont mind bidding on them as long as I can get 12 of us interested..
Bikething
06-01-06, 12:37 AM
I'll be in for one or two to play about with!;)
imagedude
06-01-06, 12:57 AM
I wouldn't have one if they were giving them away. I could buy a 60 x 200 x 6.5mm piece of 440C for less than a tenner.:D
I'm in if its not too expensive
Put me down for one then.. A tenner with postage?
I wouldn't have one if they were giving them away. I could buy a 60 x 200 x 6.5mm piece of 440C for less than a tenner.:D
Well I would, You see I couldnt do a lot with 60 x 200 x 6.5mm piece of 440C, I couldnt do a lot with the actual blade either, but it would be nice to see what could be done and would like to have that oppertunity..
So Far there are nine members interested, if we get 12 then we all must agree to a max bid, once we have this then we will know what our limit is and then i know far I will bid for them.. unless a local member could nip into store and negotiate a price..:]
mojofilter
06-01-06, 01:28 AM
I'd be in for one, price permitting! :D
Thats 10 interested.. 2 more needed..
familne
06-01-06, 01:54 AM
I'd be interested in one, price permitting.
Cheers
One more,, and then a few posts to reccommend a max bid please..
Looking at the weird tang I would have no idea of how to fashion a handle.. I guess I wouls still be up for spending £10-12 for a bit of history.
You never know.. He may stick the other bits on next week.. :)
hol3400
06-01-06, 04:56 AM
Am I #12 or did I miss out ?
Have they all gone ?
If not can i have one , price permitting .
If so how about max bid £ 12.99 each ?
imagedude
06-01-06, 05:53 AM
I reckon some crafty maker will buy them and rebuild them, then sell them on fleabay as new.
ZDP-189
06-01-06, 06:45 AM
I'll take one, or two if available. I'll pay a equal share of the bid, up to a maximum of £25 each.
ANDYLASER
06-01-06, 09:20 AM
I'd be up for one. £25 plus postage.
Edited, I'll splash the cash.
Ratel10mm
06-01-06, 09:41 AM
I think I'm too late, but I'd be interested if one becomes available please? :(
£25.00 plus postage would be a steal! :D
Hepotec
06-01-06, 11:05 AM
I will pay up to £25, plus p and p.
I think the first 12 were..
I have added a max bid as suggested by Andy, please see his thread 2 below..
Myself..... £25
Ski
phil
Hepotec.....£25
WayneD
Phil562.....£25
Bikething.....£25
Narsil.....£20
Ski
Mojo.....£25
Familne
hol3400..... £25
Back up list so far in order of first posted (I think)
Jm38al.....£30
ZDP-189.....£25
AndyLaser....£20
Ratel10mm
Mr Yarrow
If someone else could go through it to just double check that would be great, if I have got the order wrong in anyway let me know.
If anyone from above has changed their mind, then as you can see there are others interested so just let us know..
Moved to the GB forum, good luck guys!
Andy I would put the maxium amount each person is willing to pay next to their name. That way if you need to bid higher the late comers who would pay more can replace those who wont pay that much
hol3400
06-01-06, 01:37 PM
My Max £25 +P&P should give us some room to maneuver
Mr_Yarrow
06-01-06, 02:34 PM
Im in for one upto a max of £25 (if anyone drops out)
PHIL562
06-01-06, 02:44 PM
Go on £25:rolleyes:
Can i go on a back up list PLEASE.
I will pay upto £30.00
Bikething
06-01-06, 03:00 PM
I'll go £25 plus postage
cheers guys
mojofilter
06-01-06, 03:19 PM
£25 plus P&P sounds good to me too, although I would hate to miss out cos they went for £25.99 :rolleyes:
imagedude
06-01-06, 05:18 PM
Looks like there's going to be a £30+ splinter group formed. Play nicely children!:D
The list so far..
I think the first 12 were..
I have added a max bid as suggested by Andy,
Myself..... £25
Ski.....£20
phil.....£20
Hepotec.....£25
Phil562.....£25
Bikething.....£25
Narsil.....£20
Mojo.....£25
Familne.....£25-£30
hol3400..... £25
Jm38al.....£30
ZDP-189.....£25
Back up list so far in order of first posted (I think)
AndyLaser....£20
Ratel10mm
Mr Yarrow.....£25
Curious.....£20-£25
If someone else could go through it to just double check that would be great, if I have got the order wrong in anyway let me know.
If anyone from above has changed their mind, then as you can see there are others interested so just let us know..
Ok, I'm in at £20.
My advice is NOT to bid at all though. Use a Ebay sniper site. It puts a bid in at the last moments of the sale and so long as you have a higher bid than the last bid, it's yours. You set your own limit.
If you try and time it manually, you can loose so often .
I use EZsnipe but there are others out there. It charges 1% of your fee (ie, a £20 succcessful bid costs you 20p).
I've used it for many many buys with great results.
If you bid by the normal way (whoever does this), you would simply hike the price and make the other bidder aware of your interest.
HTH, Phil.
Curious
06-01-06, 09:30 PM
If im not too late....
Its odd how this has tranformed into a mini ebay here.
Ill be down fo £20-25 including post
Im a long way down the list though...
Thanks for this!
mojofilter
06-01-06, 09:38 PM
Ok, I'm in at £20.
My advice is NOT to bid at all though. Use a Ebay sniper site. It puts a bid in at the last moments of the sale and so long as you have a higher bid than the last bid, it's yours. You set your own limit.
If you try and time it manually, you can loose so often .
I use EZsnipe but there are others out there. It charges 1% of your fee (ie, a £20 succcessful bid costs you 20p).
I've used it for many many buys with great results.
If you bid by the normal way (whoever does this), you would simply hike the price and make the other bidder aware of your interest.
HTH, Phil.
I love to snipe manually, its all part of the fun, and I'm rarely beat! :D
familne
06-01-06, 09:40 PM
I would bid £25-30 + post
Cheers
Fraser
If you can beat a Snipe Stuarty, you are indeed a lucky man! Probably not bid for stuff folk are sniping on. I think manual bids are fun to do too, but only if I don't care if I win or not.
I got a mint pair of Tasco armoured binoculars once (made in Japan too!) for £1.10 doing that, superb.
Anyway, does anyone know if these blades are heat treated? The blurb seems a little vague on that. Any thoughts?
Just checked again, it says "ground and finished". I wouldn't weld onto a heat treated steel in a sensitive area. You chaps all know more than me re knives so please correct me or give guidance!
beach bum
06-01-06, 10:42 PM
I wouldn't weld onto a heat treated steel in a sensitive area.
Says in the blurb that it's a spot weld, which shouldn't cause any problems whatsoever ;) being very localised in it's effect.
regards
beach bum
Okely dokely BB. Thanks. P
Ok, I'm in at £20.
My advice is NOT to bid at all though. Use a Ebay sniper site. It puts a bid in at the last moments of the sale and so long as you have a higher bid than the last bid, it's yours. You set your own limit.
If you try and time it manually, you can loose so often .
I use EZsnipe but there are others out there. It charges 1% of your fee (ie, a £20 succcessful bid costs you 20p).
I've used it for many many buys with great results.
If you bid by the normal way (whoever does this), you would simply hike the price and make the other bidder aware of your interest.
HTH, Phil.
i've used AuctionStealer (http://www.auctionstealer.com) successfully a couple of times. without paying to join you get 3 snipes a week in the last 15 - 3 seconds and, best of all, there's no charge.:)
regards,
Dai
Quickbeam
07-01-06, 12:04 AM
Am I being a bit dim here? The vendor could read this thread and get a friend to bid just under your limit of 12 x £25 = £400. Surely you'd be better of getting a mod to hide this thread for a few days just in case.
Nick
Just checked again, it says "ground and finished". I wouldn't weld onto a heat treated steel in a sensitive area. You chaps all know more than me re knives so please correct me or give guidance!
Possibly it might not be a bad idea to ask the seller if they're Ht'd or not. The fact that the bolsters are atatched rather sugests that they are, but as well to get confirmation from the seller.
Am I being a bit dim here? The vendor could read this thread and get a friend to bid just under your limit of 12 x £25 = £400. Surely you'd be better of getting a mod to hide this thread for a few days just in case.
Nick
I think "Andy" (mostly harmless) has already been to see him so I presume the seller already knows about this..
Wayne D
07-01-06, 01:19 AM
I think I'm going drop out of this one , so can you take my name out of the list please mate, ta :D
I have not been to see him, I have phoned him to confirm his location to make sure it's easy for me to get to. I made sure I didn't mention british blades by name or mention the amount that people were prepared to go up to. I just said there is a group of people who would each want one and that I'd offered to collect and post on. The dealer is happy for me to collect from the store and I guess it will save him paypal fees and hassel.
AndyP has asked me to place a bid on this item which I will do. Since there is a greater demand for these then there is supply I'm prepared to pay for them first and find out how much it will cost me in postage. I will expect rapid payment once I have found out how much it will have cost in total. I will take paypal but you must add the fees. I will also take cheques or cash (at your own risk). I will NOT decide how much to bid upto though. AndyP gets the say in that and I will just do as I'm told
I don't see the advantage in using sniping software. In my experience it's just as good to put the final bid in 5mins before the end. if someone is watching it then they are intending to snipe themselves and everything balances out:)
Please remember that unlike the sheffield blades which I sell in the dealers section I wont make money on this
PS If anyone wants to reward me with an attractive daughter/niece aged 18-21 I may wave the paypal fees
The list so far..
All the bids for the first 12 are now in, please check them
Myself........ .£25
Ski..............£20
phil.............£25
Hepotec......£25
Phil562........£25
Bikething.....£25
Narsil..........£20.
Mojo...........£25
Familne.......£25-£30
hol3400...... £25
Jm38al........£30
ZDP-189......£25
Back up list so far in order of first posted (I think)
AndyLaser....£25
Ratel10mm
Mr Yarrow....£25
Curious........£20-£25
If someone else could go through it to just double check that would be great, if I have got the order wrong in anyway let me know.
If anyone from above has changed their mind, then as you can see there are others interested so just let us know..
ZDP-189, you moved up the list congratulations..:D
ANDYLASER
07-01-06, 02:08 AM
I am prepared to go to £25, like most of the people on the list.
Yeah, me too for the £25 limit. That way we reach a concencus of sorts.
Phil.
Just my opinion Andy, but I think it's mistaken not to consider snipe software. Let's hope it works out anyway though.
What you say is right, but snipe has been so successful for me, that I think I've just got used to using it.
The only time I've not won, is when my limit has been too low. Putting a bid in 5 mins before the end has rarely worked for me unless there is no other interested party.
There is another party showing interest.
Here's waiting and hoping then!
Phil
Looks like I'm too late for the blades, anyone wants handles and sheaths done, let me know.
Bikething
07-01-06, 12:29 PM
a wilky blade with a shing finish! now that would be interesting...
cheers for the offer shing!
I think mine will be comming to you Shing..
Ive got an original wilkinson sword survival knife, virtually the same as a dartmoor, if you need that to see the profile of the handle let me know, however I presume you wont need it,,
hol3400
07-01-06, 12:58 PM
Mine will be to, thanks Shing
what do you have in mind for the handle?
Ironwood... PLLEEEAAASE..
Oh yeh, forgot, We aint won em yet...
Just spoke to Andy who will be doing the bidding, collecting and posting of the blades ( if we are successfull ).. we wanted to clear up the postage price issue, not sure what it will be as yet but this will be on top of your bid for the blade, I hope this is ok..?
As Mojo mentioned in an earlier reply it would be ashame to miss out on the blades if they went for £25.99 each (for example), so how do you guys feel about him using a tiny bit of descretion if the bid goes slightly above our maximum..? Its a bit of history and I dont think this chance will come along again..:confused2
familne
07-01-06, 04:15 PM
Just spoke to Andy who will be doing the bidding, collecting and posting of the blades ( if we are successfull ).. we wanted to clear up the postage price issue, not sure what it will be as yet but this will be on top of your bid for the blade, I hope this is ok..?
As Mojo mentioned in an earlier reply it would be ashame to miss out on the blades if they went for £25.99 each (for example), so how do you guys feel about him using a tiny bit of descretion if the bid goes slightly above our maximum..? Its a bit of history and I dont think this chance will come along again..:confused2
All fine with me!
ANDYLASER
07-01-06, 04:35 PM
I am happy for bidding discretion to be used so as not to miss out, even though I am not on the main list.
Thanks for the offer Shing. Sounds very tempting.
Bikething
07-01-06, 04:49 PM
I don't mind a bit of discretion....anything up to £30 if required..
cheers for that Andy
Steve
mojofilter
07-01-06, 05:21 PM
The list so far..
All the bids for the first 12 are now in, please check them
Myself........ .£25
Ski..............£20
phil.............£25
Hepotec......£25
Phil562........£25
Bikething.....£25
Narsil..........£20.
Familne.......£25-£30
hol3400...... £25
Jm38al........£30
ZDP-189......£25
Back up list so far in order of first posted (I think)
AndyLaser....£25
Ratel10mm
Mr Yarrow....£25
Curious........£20-£25
If someone else could go through it to just double check that would be great, if I have got the order wrong in anyway let me know.
If anyone from above has changed their mind, then as you can see there are others interested so just let us know..
Eeeeerrrrrmmmmm, why have I vanished off the list that was in post 48? :S :mad:
The list so far..
I think the first 12 were..
I have added a max bid as suggested by Andy,
Myself..... £25
Ski.....£20
phil.....£20
Hepotec.....£25
Phil562.....£25
Bikething.....£25
Narsil.....£20
Mojo.....£25
Familne.....£25-£30
hol3400..... £25
Jm38al.....£30
ZDP-189.....£25
..
Sorry Mojo, my fault, shouldnt do any editing with mr Jack Daniels distracting me :sign07: , have put it right,,
Curious
07-01-06, 05:30 PM
Just spoke to Andy who will be doing the bidding, collecting and posting of the blades ( if we are successfull ).. we wanted to clear up the postage price issue, not sure what it will be as yet but this will be on top of your bid for the blade, I hope this is ok..?
As Mojo mentioned in an earlier reply it would be ashame to miss out on the blades if they went for £25.99 each (for example), so how do you guys feel about him using a tiny bit of descretion if the bid goes slightly above our maximum..? Its a bit of history and I dont think this chance will come along again..:confused2
Not a problem.
mojofilter
07-01-06, 05:33 PM
Sorry Mojo, my fault, shouldnt do any editing with mr Jack Daniels distracting me :sign07: , have put it right,,
Cheers Andy, I thought I had upset you! :D
Quote from Andy.
"Its a bit of history and I dont think this chance will come along again.."
Which is why I'd Snipe it! I'm sure someone will try to bid in the last minute, or worse still someone else snipes.
We could set a snipe at £300 (12 x 25). Last I looked there were two folk bidding.
Just my tuppence, which is about 25p now so I'll stop. :-D
hol3400
07-01-06, 06:26 PM
Just spoke to Andy who will be doing the bidding, collecting and posting of the blades ( if we are successfull ).. we wanted to clear up the postage price issue, not sure what it will be as yet but this will be on top of your bid for the blade, I hope this is ok..?
As Mojo mentioned in an earlier reply it would be ashame to miss out on the blades if they went for £25.99 each (for example), so how do you guys feel about him using a tiny bit of descretion if the bid goes slightly above our maximum..? Its a bit of history and I dont think this chance will come along again..:confused2
I'm cool with with this:biggthump
I read an article on the Dartmoor years ago when everyone was making Rambo knives with sawbacks and hollow handles and this is in the same vein. The handle was moulded reinforced plastic. I think the best material for the handle would be Micarta if its going to be a user. Wood would be OK if very lightly used because the width of the handle means there not much to keep the two sides of the handle together. Might need a sheath too. By the way Andy, have they been heat treated?
I think the general opinion is yes they have been heat treated, Andy (mostly harmless) may be the best person to ask about this as he has been in touch with the seller.. Shing, would the blade profile nave to remain the same..? like I mentioned earlier I have the original WSSK if you wish to see this let me know.. Could micarta be used to fill the gap in the tang and perhaps increase the width and then Wood or similar material be attached to the Micarta, if im being stupid please let me know.:S
Hepotec
07-01-06, 07:45 PM
Price is fine with me, but am prepared to go up to £30. If it simplifies matters, you can get then posted to me as I am going to Wirksworth and Leeds meetings, so could pass out many there.
It would be possible to (carefully) modify the balde profile to some extent, certaily from the spine side.
right I can't give the details of the guard but the slot for the kit is 95mm long at the longest point and 88mm long at the shortest. It is 16mm deep. each prong of the tang is 7mm deep (so the effective tang depth is 30mm) The guard is above this however (I thought use a colourful fiber spacer). The bit with the thread at the end is 20mm long (I'm guessing this will be cut off). The whole thing is 6mm thick.
imagedude
07-01-06, 08:12 PM
If somebody could translate the design into a dwf file, I could pop some blades out on the ED machine. :D
The Dartmoor is a piece of cutlery history so I would like to keep it original. I think it would be possible to fill the bit in the middle and build a wood handle round it if you don't want a detachable handle.
mojofilter
07-01-06, 09:51 PM
If somebody could translate the design into a dwf file, I could pop some blades out on the ED machine. :D
How much would they cost? :)
Whats your view on the sheath front Shing..? you looking at kydex or leather..
mojofilter
07-01-06, 09:55 PM
I think it would be possible to fill the bit in the middle and build a wood handle round it if you don't want a detachable handle.
I was thinking about routing the shape of the tang out of a pair of scales, so that it would be glued in the middle and at the edges. How does that sound Shing?
Colin KC
07-01-06, 10:03 PM
I'd just like to point out that many of the "guards" are welded on pissed, just thought you should know;)
I'd just like to point out that many of the "guards" are welded on pissed, just thought you should know;)
You must have bloody good eyesight Colin :C , although some aint perfect they dont look that "pissed" bad to me..
Colin KC
07-01-06, 10:14 PM
Hang on...
hol3400
07-01-06, 10:16 PM
As most of us are generally in that state (pissed) we probably wouldn't notice
Colin KC
07-01-06, 10:18 PM
Bottom, third from right has a definite "downward" slant & bottom left has exactly the opposite (compare that one to third from left;))
mojofilter
07-01-06, 10:20 PM
Bottom, third from right has a definite "downward" slant & bottom left has exactly the opposite (compare that one to third from left;))
Wow, thats what I call BatVision! :D
I love to snipe manually, its all part of the fun, and I'm rarely beat! :D
so i've noticed ! :happy45:
mojofilter
07-01-06, 10:51 PM
so i've noticed ! :happy45:
:S :S :S Did I beat you to something? :rolleyes:
:D
hol3400
08-01-06, 04:07 AM
Mini survival tin on ebay I think (bored detective);)
Routing will work but I was thinking of using metal for the centre bit for added strength.
Just a thought, these might be seconds, like Colin said, some of the guards look a little ill fitting, I don't know how good the ones that are sold at full price are fit and finish wise.
Anyone know if they are going to offer Woodlore blades for sale as well?
Anyone know if they are going to offer Woodlore blades for sale as well?
I don't think they would be allowed as they are really just outsourced production.
I agree they could well be seconds
I agree they could well be seconds
The seller is obliged to state if they are seconds and they know it.
Danzo
familne
08-01-06, 05:03 PM
I'd say they are all definately seconds! The original blades had no welding marks
on the guard. They have probably been returned to WS with a fault where the blade goes through the guard and have subsequently been welded back together.
I'd say they are all definately seconds! The original blades had no welding marks
on the guard. They have probably been returned to WS with a fault where the blade goes through the guard and have subsequently been welded back together.
They may be seconds but think they are more unlikly to be unfinished ones, they cannot be returned to the factory as there are no stamps on them, all dartmoors and the original survival knives are stamped, also if they had 12 knives returned to the factory with "blade guard" faults there would have been a product recall due to safety issues..:)
familne
08-01-06, 05:18 PM
They may be seconds but think they are more unlikly to be unfinished ones, they cannot be returned to the factory as there are no stamps on them, all dartmoors and the original survival knives are stamped
Yeah, you're probably right, hadn't noticed they weren't stamped! Maybe worth an email to the seller though?
mojofilter
08-01-06, 05:19 PM
Maybe worth an email to the seller though?
I did, about an hour ago! :)
Have you seen the counter for "views"? 678 views, crikey, is that just us?
familne
09-01-06, 07:17 PM
I did, about an hour ago! :)
Any reply from the seller?
mojofilter
09-01-06, 09:40 PM
Any reply from the seller?
Indeed there was, I meant to post it earlier.
Thanks for the mail
We're not sure whether they are seconds or not
Regards
Sue
bardster
09-01-06, 09:41 PM
Indeed there was, I meant to post it earlier.
Thats rather telling isn't it? :rolleyes:
mojofilter
09-01-06, 09:45 PM
Thats rather telling isn't it? :rolleyes:
Quite!
where has the phone number for the seller gone?
Could someone PM it to me ASAP please. I want to pop round to the shop
ZDP-189
10-01-06, 04:50 PM
Have we won yet? And am I included in 'we'?
not finished yet
ZDP you are now on the list for one blade
Guys, I know it's late in the day but if you need one more £30 person, I'll take one.
Hepotec
10-01-06, 06:45 PM
It's up to £317 with an hour an a bit to go. Rivetting......
Hi Guys,
Just Spoke to Andy who will be placing our maximum bid.. As the price is already at £317 we are of the same opinion that the final bid will exceed our limit of £360 ( 12x30 ), I have sold and bought quite a few knives on E bay and base this assumption on the fact that during the last hour or so the price seems to raise rapidly. Andy has been to see the blades and notes all the guards are on squarely, the blades do not however have an edge on them.. Andy and myself agreed to ask you guys if you wanted to go higher with your bids based on this information.. Andy is keeping his eye on this thread and will base his bid on your replys over the next hour or so..
AndyP.
Hepotec
10-01-06, 07:02 PM
No more than £40 for me. (Unless it is £41.07 or something silly like that...) I'm not going to quibble over a couple of quid.
hol3400
10-01-06, 07:14 PM
No more than £40 for me. (Unless it is £41.07 or something silly like that...) I'm not going to quibble over a couple of quid.
Same here
Bikething
10-01-06, 07:15 PM
£41 absolute tops here
cheers guys
Steve
familne
10-01-06, 07:36 PM
I'm out, sorry.
mojofilter
10-01-06, 07:44 PM
As far as I'm concerned, having no edge is nothing compared to a squint welded on bolster, possibly even a good thing ;)
I'm in for the same amount as everyone else agrees! :D
ANDYLASER
10-01-06, 07:52 PM
Please consider me out of this auction.
WhiteWolf
10-01-06, 08:01 PM
being nosey
Did you
Did you get them?
Yes I know i'm not on the list. I'm just nosey:D
WW 8)
got them at £30 each plus postage costs
We got them :D :D
Whats next ?
Who do i pay ?
Thank you for letting me in on this buy :D :D :D
What happened? Not sure where I am on this as I have been in Durham since Monday morning. Am I in the £30 group?
I was in at £25 but being away, I never upped it to £30 if that's what needed to happen. I might have missed out here.
That said, fair's fair, I'll drop out if someone DID up their offer.
I already have one of these so only wanted one to play anyway. How do I find out? Who's the arbiter on this?
Phil.
I have a feeling a fair number of these will end up with Shing, would it be best for me to post all those to him in one go RMSD? (this would benifit me as Shing can then have one for comparision while he's putting grinding my blank)
For the blades that aren't going to Shing I will wrap them up and send them out by a postage method of your choice. You can then pay me.
Hepotec
10-01-06, 09:11 PM
Cheers chaps, thats a great result. Much as I would like to Shing it, I fear mine will just go into storage until I have a real idea about what I will do with it. When you know how much the final cost is, with post etc, let me know and I will send the funds. Alternatively, if you're going to Wirksworth, just bring it along and I will collect it then, if this is not too much to ask.
I'll bring it along to the meet
Hi Guys,
Pull me up on this if you think its not the right approach. Had a couple of messages regarding who has "won" the 12 blades. I think its fair to offer the blades to the first 12 members who were on the list, even though a number of members had a £25 limit. If these members do not wish to pay the £30 + p&p then their blade will be offered to the first member on the back up list.
The initial first 12 members were.
Myself
Ski
Phil
Hepotec
Phil562
Bikething
Narsil
Mojo
Familne
hol3400
Jm38al
ZDP-189
Please contact Andy (student crossing) regarding exact payment, this he will not know until he has sorted the postage costs, I believe he is collecting the blades tomorrow so he should let us know the full cost then.
Please could members in the list who are ok with the £30 cost just post a quick note and ill highlight in green accordingly.
I hope this is all ok, if there are any issues please let me know,
Regards,
AndyP.
Hepotec
10-01-06, 11:42 PM
That is fine for me, I will send funds when a price is sorted and collect the blade at Wirksworth. Thanks again for organising it..
PHIL562
10-01-06, 11:50 PM
I'm fine with £30 + postage
Can you send mine to Shing
Shing - once in receipt of blade please PM me with cost of handle & sheath
Regards
Bikething
11-01-06, 12:04 AM
All OK with me too!
Thanks guys
Steve
If I'd just bought these myself instead of doing a group buy I don't think I'd mind the half dozen emails from ebay members wanting to buy a single blade off me.
One guy (in spain) said he'd pay £45 or at the most £60
mojofilter
11-01-06, 11:16 AM
Myself
Ski
Phil
Hepotec
Phil562
Bikething
Narsil
mojo
Familne
hol3400
Jm38al
ZDP-189
familne
11-01-06, 12:17 PM
I've pulled out so my blade can go to the next on the list!
Updated list an with an ommition and therefor an addition..
Myself
Ship
Phil to be replaced
Hepotec
Phil562
Bikething
Narsil
Mojo
hol3400
Jm38al
ZDP-189
Ratel10mm (to notify by 13.01.06)
Hepotec
11-01-06, 01:21 PM
Mojo's name isn't green anymore.....
Predator infared technology eh, no wonder Alien couldn't beat you, or did you cheat, :rolleyes:
Ratel10mm
11-01-06, 02:30 PM
I think I may have to bow out I'm afraid - there's a rumour that our bonus isn't going to be paid on time so I'd need to be careful with funds. :mad45: Sorry Andy. :ashamed01
We should know for definite by Friday - is that too late to confirm? I know young Andy wanted the dosh fast, and I definitely don't want anyone to be out of pocket on this deal.
:scared11:
Hepotec
11-01-06, 02:31 PM
It's all in the wrist, AndyP......
And the vast amounts of technology strapped to the exoskeleton.
And the vast amounts of technology strapped to the exoskeleton.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, one on one and no technology the Alien would have nailed you...;)
We should know for definite by Friday - is that too late to confirm? I know young Andy wanted the dosh fast, and I definitely don't want anyone to be out of pocket on this deal.
:scared11:
It's fine by me to wait.
£30.00 and p+p is fine
please send it to me , I will pay by paypal if thats ok , just let me know much p+p
Mr_Yarrow
11-01-06, 03:28 PM
£30 + P&P is ok with me
Ratel10mm
11-01-06, 03:34 PM
Cheers Andy. :)
ZDP-189
11-01-06, 05:30 PM
Fine by me. How and how much do you want paying?
If someone lower on the list wants mine, that's cool. If there are no buyers further down, then of course I'll pay as normal.
I have one of these and it makes me happy, so make someone else happy if you can Andy.
Obviously let me know if I still need to buy it. I wasn't around to up my bid to £30, but it seems others are more keen than me.
Hope that makes sense!
Phil.
Ok Phil ill offer it to the next on the list..
Andy..
It maaaaaaaaay be possible for me to help out here if you need an extra person.....consider me as a last resort.
If people on here don't want them they could be sold for more then £30
hol3400
11-01-06, 08:56 PM
£30+p&p is fine, send to Shing please as per his offer
Andy how do you want the bill paying?
mick spain
11-01-06, 09:54 PM
The guards look like they have spot welded them on to me, thats a new one on me
Mr Yarrow and Curious you have Pm...
for £30+ p@p, i,ll have one if you need to make up the numbers:)
ship
As there is a lot of "yes I will have one" and then "no I wont" and as Andy is outstanding the initial cost, I am offering Ski and Phils blade to the first 2 replys.. I think we are still awaiting confirmation from Narsil and Ratel10mm.
Ship, you have Ski's blade..
Up to now there is 1 blade remaining..
Stew.. Its yours.
Andy we are now awaiting confirmation off the 1 member not highlighted on the list below..
Myself
Ship
Stew
Hepotec
Phil562
Bikething
Soup Monger
Mojo
hol3400
Jm38al
ZDP-189
Ratel10mm
AndyP :banghead: :confused1 :confused0
soup_monger
12-01-06, 05:58 PM
I'll take one if there's a spare.
Ta.
Andy, Paypal now or later?
As there is a lot of "yes I will have one" and then "no I wont" and as Andy is outstanding the initial cost, I am offering Ski and Phils blade to the first 2 replys.. I think we are still awaiting confirmation from Narsil and Ratel10mm.
Ship, you have Ski's blade..
Up to now there is 1 blade remaining..
yippee!! pm you t/morrow about payment etc: when iv,e seen the wife about her paypal account:D she,s at work right now, thx a lot
ship:D
soup_monger
12-01-06, 06:00 PM
Does my reply count?
Does my reply count?
Missed it sorry, there are 2 more unconfirmed blades, if they do not get "confimed" i'll put your name next to one, please dont change your mind as ive spent most of the week sending pm's due to members changing their minds etc and the bang head:banghead: is quite relevant at the moment..
AndyP
soup_monger
12-01-06, 06:10 PM
Understood AndyP, thanks for that. I won't change my mind and I appreciate the hassle you must've had so far.
Cheers
Hepotec
12-01-06, 06:11 PM
I agreed that Andy would bring mine to the Wirksworth meet. But do you want me to send money up front, and if so, can I have paypal details, or an address for a cheque. Cheers.
ZDP-189
12-01-06, 06:22 PM
Yeah, I need a PP email address and an amount inclusive of postage, please.
Andy,
if you are left with one blade at the end of this, I'll definitely have it.
Barry
Soup Monger.. You have a blade..
soup_monger
12-01-06, 11:41 PM
:DExcellent! Thanks for letting me in so late.
If you PM me to tell me total cost and Paypal or other, I'll sort it out tmrw or Monday latest.
Thanks again.
Ratel10mm
13-01-06, 02:58 PM
Okay, the boss has sorted the bonus papaerwork, so I'm in! YAY!
Sorry for the run-around guys.
AndyP (going to shing)(paid)
Ship(paid)
Stew(sent)(paid)
Hepotec (meet up)
Phil562 (shing)(paid
Bikething (shing)(paid)
Soup Monger (address recieved)(paid)
Mojo (paid)
hol3400(shing) (paid)
Jm38al(address recieved)(paid?)
ZDP-189 (address recieved)(sent)
Ratel10mm
can everyone get their address to me please or remind me if it's going to shing
soup_monger
13-01-06, 03:22 PM
PM sent
PHIL562
13-01-06, 03:24 PM
Send mine to Shing please Andy;)
Bikething
13-01-06, 03:28 PM
Mine to Shing also Andy :biggthump
You got an idea on costs with postage yet???
Cheers
Steve
Shing to be the receipient of mine too please Mate..
we got there in the end..:C
Postage is £2.30 for first class to the UK the package is 500g so if you want it posting another way just let me know.
soup_monger
13-01-06, 05:33 PM
That sounds fair to me, go ahead and send it or if you prefer money first let me know how you would prefer it.
Cheers.
soup_monger
13-01-06, 05:45 PM
Paypal sent
who is steve?
you need to include who you are on here when you send payment:rolleyes:
Bikething
13-01-06, 10:53 PM
who is steve?
you need to include who you are on here when you send payment:rolleyes:
That'll be me then :sign13:
sorry, forgot Paypal wouldn't have my user name.....i've been doing too much P.M.ing lately
(hangs head in shame..)
Steve (Bikething)
hol3400
14-01-06, 09:30 AM
shing please paypay sent
paypal sent, thx a lot,
ship:D
Got mine this morning - thanks Andy!
Blimey, this thing is heavy! It's heavier than my BRKT Evolution 1. I'll have to compare it to my billhook but I suspect it's heavier than that too.
As expected, it's only useful as a butter knife at the moment as the edge bevel is so steep.
What do you reckon chaps? Convex it, put a longer secondary bevel on it or make it a zero grind?
ZDP-189
14-01-06, 07:03 PM
Secondary bevel if you can, convex if you can't. Hollow grind and zeros seem somehow inappropriate.
Yeah, hollow grind would be laughable on this, and a zero probably wouldn't fair much better.
I think I'll wait and see how others get on with their's first as I suspect that either way it'll be a fair amount of work.
I think that they are hollow ground anyway.
Of course the grinding wheels involved get used to plant small trees in when they are worn out.
the question is, what should Shing do whith my blank? (no HT and no bevels)
soup_monger
14-01-06, 11:00 PM
Hello Andy. I'm away from home for the weekend. Should I expect mine Monday or has it already been sent out?
Cheers
PHIL562
14-01-06, 11:06 PM
Paypal sent Andy;)
I think that they are hollow ground anyway.
Of course the grinding wheels involved get used to plant small trees in when they are worn out.
the question is, what should Shing do whith my blank? (no HT and no bevels)
Grind it into a Dartmoor/Woodlore hybrid, you don't like it,,, i'll buy it...:D
Andy,
Does it have the saw back? If not, I wouldn't bother.
Grind wise, I would go convex edge personally. I'm only unsure for mine as it'll all be done by hand.
A heat treat might be an idea too....
Who is Fergus? you paid me but I don't know who you are.
here's a pic of the lump I have
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v347/highstorrsprom/more%20knives/DSCN1056.jpg
I think a convex grind would cost a lot to do.
soup_monger
15-01-06, 01:37 AM
Fergus is Soup_monger as clearly stated on all my correspondence with you.
All ok?
Fergus is Soup_monger as clearly stated on all my correspondence with you.
All ok?
no problem. I was just using the paypal emails
soup_monger
15-01-06, 01:05 PM
Fair enough Andy, that was the only correspondence that I didn't state my user name, sorry about that. Has anyone who has received their blade determined if they have been heat treated and to what hardness?
Might be too soon for that sort of info though.:huh:
Good question soup_monger has it been heat treated ?
If not any one got any ideas who can .
Perhaps i should have had my blade sent to shing :C
They are all packaged up.
decide now if you want it going to shing as the PO closed in 30mins
tell you what. Shing is getting them RMSD so you could always leave the package unopened and he can let us know. If they aren't HTed you can forward it to him
Right. those of you who aren't having it sent to shing (apart frm ratel) have had them sent. I got told it would cost £19 extra to have the five things going to shing go via RMSD rather then 1st (WTF). They guy I was dealing with was a moron who complained at me first being disorgansied and then messed up and billed me twice and was sending the other lot to shing 1st class even though I explain it all.
I'll either find a courier company to send it to shing or repackage them and send the five blades individualy to shing to save on postage.
I'm now dreading what sending 24MOD blades will be like
soup_monger
16-01-06, 08:03 PM
:CI can feel your stress from here Andy so thank you again for sorting this out.
If Shing decides that the blades have not been heat treated (which I am hoping they have been) then I will have to send mine off to be treated.BUT...!
I'm gambling that they have been heat treated because all the blades have the guards attached and I'm also thinking that the "spot welds" look a lot like solder marks which would make more sense to me....anyone else?
Looking forward to what Shing has to say.
I'll test all the blades in an out of sight place to see if they have been HT. Assuming they are 440C and spot welded rather than soldered, I can HT them in my digitally controlled oven if needed. If they are soldered, then they should have been HT'ed.
soup_monger
16-01-06, 08:27 PM
Thats great Shing, thanks,
Can you put a comment on this thread to say what your findings are after you have tested the blades?
recieved mine about 5 mins ago,
thx very much,
ship:D
soup_monger
17-01-06, 04:19 PM
Second that...just got mine. I'm thinking it's a factory second due to the gaurd being messed up...(which could mean it has been heat treated)
What do you think Ship?
Got mine today :D Thank you Andy :D :D
Again like soup_monger as the gard was fixed so it must be
heat treated ( I hope )
I think that they are seconds , i have no problem with that .
So i will wait untill shing lets us know .
Or should i send it to shing because they are not all the same :huh:
And yes I used to be able to make my mind up but now i am not :S
soup_monger
17-01-06, 06:45 PM
I've been filing the gaurd and if this thing is not heat treated I'll be very surprised....I will also throw all my files in the bin.
This is heavy going...
i think they may well be seconds, looking at the fitment of the guard, but what the hell, wev,e got a piece of English steel making history and i for 1 am not adverse to putting a lot of time and effort into dressing my blade and handle for that privilege, altho i think someone else may have to make me a sheath, looking forward to shing,s view on things,
ship(knows nowt about knives):D
Have they gone off to Shing now Andy..:S
soup_monger
17-01-06, 07:41 PM
Ummmm...my guard just fell off:D...it only had one pin through it.... this might be of interest to Shing as putting a handle on when the guard is unstable might be a problem.
I'm going to re fit mine correctly.
Have they gone off to Shing now Andy..:S
I had two lots of course work in today so was a little busy.
I'm going to see if I an send them as a standard parcel with insurence
ZDP-189
23-01-06, 08:21 AM
Blade received - with thanks, Andy!
Corr, it's a monster.
soup_monger
26-01-06, 09:34 PM
I'm still working on the handle for mine and trying to get a decent shape with the limited steel available due to the large hole in the tang.
Any updates from Shing or from any other people who have received theirs?
I'll post some pics when I'm happy with my Dartmoor handle.
Not sure I want to be the first though:C
Cheers
Ratel10mm
26-01-06, 11:35 PM
Got mine thanks! :) It is a BEAST of a knife! Looking through my copy of Mr. Mears' 'The Survival Handbook', there's a Dartmoor shown in there - and the caption confirms that it was Ray who designed the Dartmoor knife. The one in the picture has a bottle opener between the saw & the false edge. I thought I'd remembered that, but my blade does not have that feature. I'm not fussed, but am curious. Does anyone else's have the cap lifter? Was the cap lifter dropped on later production runs?
Doing the file test seems to bite more than I'd expect, so am eagerly awaiting the results of Shing's investigation.
I'm leaning towards these either being unfinished production at Wilkinson's closure, or perhaps factory seconds that failed QC about half way through production. More likely the latter on mine as the guard has a wierd saw cut across the inside of the curve. :huh:
I'm thinking of sticking with the original design of handle, but in a nice wood. Anyone know of a suitable container for the hollow?
Colin KC
26-01-06, 11:43 PM
Anyone know of a suitable container for the hollow?
I seem to remember some vitamin c tablets or somesuch that came inna plastic container about the size you'd be after.
Got mine thanks! :) It is a BEAST of a knife! Looking through my copy of Mr. Mears' 'The Survival Handbook', there's a Dartmoor shown in there - and the caption confirms that it was Ray who designed the Dartmoor knife. The one in the picture has a bottle opener between the saw & the false edge. I thought I'd remembered that, but my blade does not have that feature. I'm not fussed, but am curious. Does anyone else's have the cap lifter? Was the cap lifter dropped on later production runs?
Doing the file test seems to bite more than I'd expect, so am eagerly awaiting the results of Shing's investigation.
I'm leaning towards these either being unfinished production at Wilkinson's closure, or perhaps factory seconds that failed QC about half way through production. More likely the latter on mine as the guard has a wierd saw cut across the inside of the curve. :huh:
I'm thinking of sticking with the original design of handle, but in a nice wood. Anyone know of a suitable container for the hollow?
Hi,
The knife you refer to with the cap lifter is not a Dartmoor but a Wilkinson Sword Survival knife, the Dartmoor replaced it. I bought my Wilkinson Sword Survival knife around 18 years ago from a place called Survival Aids based in Kendal, Cumbria. Survival Aids was the main distributor of the WSSK and they cost £300 back then, each one was stamped on the tang with a 3 digit number. They were either satin, highly polished or coated in black. The Dartmoor is almost identical apart from the cap lifter you mentioned..
I lost the original Survival kit that came with knife, I replaced it with a thin walled piece of plastic/rubber tubing cut to the exact length and then 2 bungs at each end, this was ideal as you can then see the contents. Got scalpel blades, Waterproof matches and a tiny bit of potassium permanganate in for water purification..
Hope this Helps,
Andy
Colin KC
26-01-06, 11:56 PM
So anyway, was I right about the guards being pissed?
soup_monger
27-01-06, 01:16 AM
The guard was certainly pissed on mine Colin.
Turns out the drill bit in the factory had snapped on it's way through the top hole but had been spot welded anyway so there was a piece of drill bit welded into the guard and one pin.
I'm trying re-attach it....
Ratel10mm
27-01-06, 09:57 AM
Cheers folks. Thinking harder about it, I was having a go with some suspected 01 at the forge last night, got it to white hot & hit it - big mistake! :O Still, I didn't intend the blade to be that long anyway. :rolleyes:
So as a rough test to check if it was 01, I quenched it & ran the file along the corner. It skated nicely. Now, comparing that to the same test on the Dartmoor's edge where it was definitely removing material, I am thinking that these blades have not been hardened. :(
Thanks for the capsule suggestions too. :)
The Wilkinson blades were (and possibly are) plagued by problems and many of the earlier ones snapped during use.
This was because the heat treating equipment being used for them was vastly undersized and inappropriate - one end of the blade was being heated and quenched, then the other was done in turn. The obvious result was an inherently weak and highly stressed portion of the blade and many of them blew apart spectaularly or had the end fall off not far in front of the guard.
I never could figure out why an operation like Wilkinson Sword was part heat treating.
I have also heard reports of very soft blades which looked like they had not been treated at all.
And I have seen guards welded on both before and after heat treat (visited the factory where they were made several times).
This is not meant to rain on your collective parade - I hope that you all enjoy furnishing your blades.
The point I am meandering towards is that it could be worth having all the blades heat treated again, just to be sure, as per a few previous posts in this thread.
The blades are 440C and so treating them should not be an issue, although there could be uneven cooling where the guard is attached and removing it/them could be advisable.
I'd just hate to see anyone fall foul if the blades have not been properly treated.
Good luck with your collective projects - I'd be interested to see some pix when the blades start to turn into knives.
I had a look at a Dartmoor blade AndyL sent me. Its got dents in the guard where the handle need to fit into and a groove cut into the underside of the guard. The blade has been harden but not marked with the Wilky logo. Apart from that, it could be made into a servicable and good looking knife without too much trouble.
soup_monger
27-01-06, 01:05 PM
Thanks for that Shing, I'll continue with mine now that I know it has been treated (at least to some extent). I doubt this will be a user as I usually use my BK10 for most things,but,it will be nice to have a Dartmoor from the last of the Wilkies.
soup_monger
18-02-06, 04:25 PM
Has anybody done any work to their Wilky Dartmoor?
Just asking as this thread has been dormant for a while.
I've done some work, but not a lot, to mine.
Photos would be great.
Cheers
I had a look at a Dartmoor blade AndyL sent me. Its got dents in the guard where the handle need to fit into and a groove cut into the underside of the guard. The blade has been harden but not marked with the Wilky logo. Apart from that, it could be made into a servicable and good looking knife without too much trouble.
The groove cut into the guard is standard, on the complete knife it is used to secure the knife to the scabbrd.. see pic..
Im still waiting on Shing for a rough estimate when the blade will be ready.. ;)
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