Trond Felleskap #01

[Ophidian]

Trond Felleskap #01

What do you think?

First picture shows profile from above. Second picture, side on after treated with linseed oil.

I am quite pleased with it for my first effort.

I would never have though just putting a couple of slabs on a knife blank would be so much work (with just hand tools). Hopefully the sheath will be a lot easier….well at least I do have experience working with leather.

[Jon]

Congratulations, it looks fantastic. :)




I am quite pleased with it for my first effort.

and so you :censored: should be. :)

[beach bum]

most excellent! I particularly like the way you've "feathered" the handle, well done, my attempt is on hold awaiting further deliveries of timber :banghead:
I think you can be well pleased with it, I'd also like to thank you for being the genesis of the felleskap. I'm sure that there are others on the forum who would join me in this :240: :thanks:

regards

beach bum

[clcuckow]

Cool dud, they are starting to build up, you must feel like a proud father.

[ZDP-189]

Cool dud, they are starting to build up, you must feel like a proud father.

Sleep deprived?


But seriously, that's excellent work. I'm having trouble getting the jade slabs of sufficient quality. May have to go with something simpler.

[Colin KC]

WTG Ophi :35:

[Cool]

Looks great!

[Trond]

WTG Ophi :35:

Yes, wel done Ophi, you guys really makes me proud!! :biggthump

[Dave Barker]

Yes, wel done Ophi, you guys really makes me proud!! :biggthump


Credit where it is due to everyone. especially you though Trond.. for making Just another woodlore clone with full tang too!. Albeit with minor shape alterations ( I read other threads too :lmao:)

For the mods this is a private joke between caterpillar face and me! :)

[Trond]

Yes Dave, i know it is a Woodlore clone, it was ment to be just that ;)

I am just jealous that you were unfaithfull to me :D

[PS_Bond]

For the mods this is a private joke between caterpillar face and me! :)

Oh no it isn't ;)

[Dave Barker]

Yes Dave, i know it is a Woodlore clone, it was ment to be just that ;)

I am just jealous that you were unfaithfull to me :D

Y don't make stock removal blades with either a flat or a convex grind with secondary bevel.. Laminates would be no good unless there was helstål laminated into the spine. then the price would be ..... HHHHUUUUUGGGGGEEEEE ( besides i owe you money as it is ( now where are my blades!)



Oh no it isn't ;)

Oh yes it is.. ( or do you have a caterpillar too? :)

[PS_Bond]

Oh yes it is.. ( or do you have a caterpillar too? :)

No, we feed the birds in the garden, so no caterpillars.

But I do read BushcraftUK too... :D

[Dave Barker]

No, we feed the birds in the garden, so no caterpillars.

But I do read BushcraftUK too... :D
then you understand the irony of the comment to the plagerising of a design including tang construction made by the caterpillar faced noggin the nogg!:)

Still it's friday and the banter is friendly.

[PS_Bond]

then you understand the irony of the comment to the plagerising of a design including tang construction made by the caterpillar faced noggin the nogg!:)


Oh yes. I'll hold him, you slap him about the face with some lutefisk.
:D

[Dave Barker]

Oh yes. I'll hold him, you slap him about the face with some lutefisk.
:D


LUTEFISK :aargh4: A fate worse than death. Have you ever eaten that ****e!? The smell alone is enough to get a confessionout of the worse terrorist ( or trond)

We could try Smalhovet too.. Now that is really gross!

[PS_Bond]

Never tried it - but I would at least once. Hakarl was the other thing I was thinking of :)

Which reminds me - I have some durian candy to offer around the office... :D

[Ophidian]

Thanks for the response guys! I have been giving it a bit of use this morning and can report that it works very well :biggthump

The handle is very comfortable. I found when shaping it you just have to keep working a little at a time untill it feels right.

I now have a lot of respect for pro makers!

Here is another pic.

[Trond]

For everybody else who might be interesded in what the inside Joke between the expulsed brit and me are;
Dave has a thread on Bushcraft about making a bushy knife, and when i read through the posts yesterday i spottet a remark from Martyn, saying that he hoped that this would not be another Woodlore clone. Wich everybody agreed it was not :D

[Ophidian]

Dam! I’ve dropped my felleskap and damaged the edge!!!!!!

I was taking my knife around to a friend in the next street to borrow some leather working tools and show him the project when the knife fell out of the carrier bag in my driveway (cut its self free) Thankfully the tip is ok but there is a little chip in the blade… I have managed to stone out most of the damage with Granfors Axestone.

I here is a pic (not very good).

Anybody have any suggestions?

Do I:

1. keep going with a stone
2. Ask if anyone here (in the UK) might be able to sort in out.
3. Send it over to Trond

[Trond]

Dam! I’ve dropped my felleskap and damaged the edge!!!!!!

I was taking my knife around to a friend in the next street to borrow some leather working tools and show him the project when the knife fell out of the carrier bag in my driveway (cut its self free) Thankfully the tip is ok but there is a little chip in the blade… I have managed to stone out most of the damage with Granfors Axestone.

I here is a pic (not very good).

Anybody have any suggestions?

Do I:

1. keep going with a stone
2. Ask if anyone here (in the UK) might be able to sort in out.
3. Send it over to Trond

Hello Ohi, i can not see anything wrong on that pic?
Do you have a better one, so that i can see better what might be the problem?
Thanks

[Ophidian]

Hi trond, I'll try and get you a better pic later.... just going out for the eveing...with a nice Blond.....

[Trond]

Hi trond, I'll try and get you a better pic later.... just going out for the eveing...with a nice Blond.....

Wel i wil be in for the evening with a nice blond.....My wife :D

[Ophidian]

This is a copy of what I posted on the Bushcraft forum in response to why the Felleskap came about

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Earlier in this thread there was mention made of the pros and cons of stick & full tang blades and why anyone should ever want to ask a Norwegian Knife Maker to produce a full tang blade.

Well as it was I who asked Trond to make a woodloreish blade in the first place I guess I’d better explain.

1. I have only been on the British Blades and Bushcraft forums for a few months.

2. I did not realise that I was committing a knife etiquette crime in asking a Scandi Maker to produce such a blade.


3. I had seen blade blanks available from a few different sources and always fancied making a knife, even if only putting on the handle.

4. I became aware of Trond’s work, checked out his web-site and thought I’ll buy some (stick tang) blade blanks….then though I wonder if he could make me something similar to this Woodlore Knife that there all raving about on B.B. (so I bought both the Felleskap… and a few stick tang blades)


5. Most (if not all) of the fixed blade knives that I have are full tang, and I guess that I never considered a stick tang knife, or the issues of strength.

6. Insulation from the cold is not an issue for me (if its cold I’ll wear gloves).


7. I work in a Herpetarium where the rooms are kept at 28c (to keep the snakes happy) and if I’m overseas it will be Desert or Rainforest conditions.

8. I know what I like in a knife and what works for me.


9. Although I have seen many of the Ray Mears programmes, I was unaware that there was much interest in Bushcraft here in the UK (until I joined the forums).

10. Bushcraft seems to be a cold climate activity?


11. I may not have done any “Bushcraft” per se, BUT I have done plenty of field, research & volunteer work in some very remote areas (Cameroon & Nigeria for example) where I am carrying blades all the time both as working tools and for protection…..generally, I sleep with a fixed blade in my bed or hammock.

12. I have been taught by the local people where to get water, start fires (and keep them going) and other skills that would be called Bushcraft.


13. I don’t have a problem with cross over pieces (look how popular the Americanised Tanto became)….I just hope Trond is not banished for his sins.

I am very pleased with my Felleskap, it is the first knife that I have made (OK, put handle on). I have enjoyed doing it and I hope that everyone else has as much fun.

[PS_Bond]

Bizarre.

So Frosts of Mora aren't a Scandinavian maker, or don't make full tang blades?

Now I'm left wondering what is going on over there....

Oh, right. I see. <shrug>
I wouldn't make a stick tang by stock removal. I would if I was forging it.

[Martyn]

also posted on bushcraftUK...


Earlier in this thread there was mention made of the pros and cons of stick & full tang blades and why anyone should ever want to ask a Norwegian Knife Maker to produce a full tang blade.

2. I did not realise that I was committing a knife etiquette crime in asking a Scandi Maker to produce such a blade.


There's no breach of ettiquete, there is no ettiquete.

A knife maker will make anything you want, within certain limiting factors. Scandinavian makers tend to make pretty homogenous knives that are rooted in centuries of tradition, but that doesnt mean they are unwilling or incapable of other styles. Some of them may be unwilling to diversify, but that would be more likely because of the change in working practice making it more difficult to complete your request within a certain price point. Others, may not be able to complete your request, because of technical difficulties. Stick tangs are generally easier to make than full tangs, not that full tangs are difficult. When looking at the fors & againsts, you have to remember it's largely an academic argument and you shouldn't carry over any implications for ettiquete or any such thing.

It is an absolute fact that a full tang knife is a stronger construction method than a stick tang, to suggest otherwise is ludicrous. The debate is not about which is the stronger construction method (that's a given), it's about whether it makes any difference. Most well constructed stick tangs will take more abuse than you would ever normally throw at a knife, so it real terms, it makes no difference which you choose. The makers and sellers of stick tang knives are very keen to point this out, and do so with passion because it's their business. They just want to make sure people understand that there are no real world practical benefits of one type over the other. It boils down to your personal preference as a consumer.

For me, I like the "built like a tank" sense of confidence you get from a full tang blade, that I know will take an insane amount of unrealistic and OTT abuse. For that reason, they will usually be my first choice. Even though I'm fully aware that in real terms, there is no practical benefit of one style over the other. That's my choice as a consumer. If I want someone to make me a full tang knife, I have no qualms whatsoever about asking for one, whether they are from Scandinavia, America or the moon. It's my money!

[Trond]

Wel, first of all i would like to take the opportunity to thank Ophi for giving me the kick in the a** to make a fuller blade. I have beene thinking about making a full tang blade for some time, but just never got the time to make it, cause there was so many orders on stick tang blades. When he askede me to make a "woodloreìsh" blade, I thought id make a blade that was not a copy of woodlore, cause i do not make copys, dont like to make copys of other peoples work, the blade shape, is not a original shape from woodlore, that shape i have made hundreds of blades before. The handle on the other hand, with the guard i had not made before, and i wanted a handle that in my mind looked a litle more designed, than the woodlore wich i find the shape to be a litle to "stiff" I tried to have the lines from the blade continue into the handle, and made the handle a litle more "weak" in the back where the landyard hole is, this to give the knife more balance. If I succeded is not up to me to judge, that is up to all the kind people that bought the blade.
Now, let it be said straight away, that there are several makers in norway, denmark and sweden that makes fuller blades, and there is no banning for making such blades.

And to Martyn, IMH it is not easier to make a stick tang blade, it is a different method, and i can make three stick tangs at the same time as i make one fuller. But, as i wil show in the hammerin, to make a stick tang blade is not easy, the stick tangs that i make are forged, tappered three layers, while the full tang is stock removal. (And i love to forge, and i hate to grind) :D

[Ophidian]

Well here is the sheath I made for my felleskap. I’m reasonably pleased with it for a first attempt. It does follow the idea of the woodlore sheath but I have made it as both a neck and belt sheath.

I have fitted two belt loops in order to keep the sheath nice and snug against the hip and stop the firesteel caddy part catching on branches etc when worn on the left side of the body. The loops are quite tight on the belt and this was intentional as I hate belt sheaths that swing around (and you need two hands to use). I tried this sheath on the way into work this morning and it is just perfect while seated. These loops can also be used to thread Para cord in order to carry the sheath baldric style and help it hang level. I dyed the leather dark brown with dye from Woolies.

(yellow card is just to illustrate the loops)

[Trond]

Well done Ophi! :biggthump

[Colin KC]

Bugger me Ophi, that's flippin' brill:bigbloodythumb:;)

[Martyn]

Fan-blimmin-tastic matee. I think that double belt loop design is better than woodlores by far. You can still carry it as a neck knife on a baldric, but have a secure belt option too. Well done mate. Brilliant!

[Martyn]

Having played around with the neck sheath and baldric, If I were making one now, one thing I would do is make a hole and add a D ring like the attachment...

These would be the attachment points for a baldric and would make the knife hang nicely under your left arm, with the tip down and back about 30 deg, try and visualise it and you'll see what I mean. At the moment, to achieve this, I made a small loop from paracord which sits where I've drawn the D ring, and the other end ties off in the slot on the WS sheath.

[Ophidian]

Thanks guys for the feedback. The ‘D’ ring would make sense for Baldric carry, which is not something I have used before as I normally carry fixed blades on the belt or in a spinal rig.

This sheath probably took me 4 hours. I wet formed it around the knife (wrapped in plastic sandwich bag) and then clamped it in my home made Kydex press for 24 hours. I have done some leather work in the past, mainly falconry items, but this is the first time working with this thickness of leather (about 3mm). Thanks Colin!

Now for my next project……..

[Danzo]

This is your FIRST attempt at both knife and sheath?

:yikes:

I wish someone had posted up a really crap one and then I would feel able to start on mine!

:rolleyes:

Great work though Ophi!

:biggthump

Danzo

[JensJ]

Nice sheat, Ophidian!
I really like the double beltloop approach you chose.

Whats your next project ;)

Jens.

[clcuckow]

Danzo haven't you seen my Chianti box one in the gallery? :D

I really ought to start at least getting the stuff to make a proper one but I got sidetracked into making by first knife from scratch (currently at Shing's for HT).

[Danzo]

[QUOTE=clcuckow]Danzo haven't you seen my Chianti box one in the gallery? :D

Yours was b****y good for a first one too Chris! I have a terrible fear of glue, which glue is fully aware of, and I am certain I will be condemned to spend the rest of my life with a Felleskap stuck to my head!

:aargh4:

Danzo

[Ophidian]

Next Project? well I have started it already! I still have a few stick tang blades from our friendly Noggin Trond….so I was thinking about using a blade to make a small neck carry knife. I like the idea of a slim profile handle (similar to those of Bud Nealy’s knives). I did think about cutting the wood down the middle and recessing the tang into each side and then gluing and pining it back together. But for now I’m trying the traditional method of drilling a hole down the centre. Not sure yet whether it will be just curly birch or if I will add some ferules etc..

This knife making game is really addictive