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Ed Schempp
03-07-07, 06:12 AM
It takes awhile for organizations to develop, the ICCT evolved into Bladesports International, and it is not a finished work. My friend and fellow certified instructor, Jose Diaz traveled 500 km to Missoula Montana to certify some cutters for Bladesports International. Josh Smith was holding an ABS hammer-in with Tim Hancock and Tom Ferry demonstrating. In Frenchtown a minutes from where we held the certification.

I'd like to share with you the procedure, costs and reasoning behind the training session.

1 1/2 pages of procedure are read and discussed before starting mainly related to safety. The procedure is the same at all Bladesports events and basically about a level playing field for all competitors.

We had about 12 different cutting tasks that represent many of the events in a Bladesports competition. Each task was demonstrated by a trainer with the proper procedure; technique was shared and questions were answered. The person would then put the lanyard on their wrist with their knife sheathed and inspected the item to be cut. After the person is satisfied that it is a fair challenge they are given the go ahead to unsheathe the knife and make the cut. When the knife is unsheathed you are not allowed to touch the blade or the item to be cut. There have been some injuries to the off hand in trainings and competitions; the position of this hand is observed and discussed. You may re-sheath the knife and ask for a safety official to make a change in the item to be cut providing something had changed after you had the item set. This can happen because of wind. After the person makes the cut and the knife is sheathed the safety of the persons body position and arch of the blade is discussed. The cut is repeated until the trainers are satisfied that the technique being used is safe.

All the individual tasks are done with the same procedure as listed above. Some cuts are much easier than others. Some of the cuts require a quick snap cut, some are finesse, some are power, usually they are a combination. Powercuts like rope, 2x4 (which really measures 38mm x 88mm), mailing tube, or a stack of 6mm x 38mm x 150mm plywood 75mm high are the most dangerous. Most knifemakers have probably done some version of these cuts and are safe and experienced. These folks don't take very long to certify. Some people come without much useful experience and are dangerous. Some people take longer to get to a safe level of cutting. Many folks that are certifying are not makers or long time users, some just want to cut with a big sharp knife. Bladesports is about connecting the public with safe knife as tool use.

As a side note: Oregon Knife Collectors Association quit having rope cutting contests because a photo by Wayne Goddard showed me holding on to the handle of the knife with two fingers and a taught lanyard on a missed cut of ten 1" Manila hemp rope. They were adequately insured for injury but not for the bad press the knife world would receive.

The initial costs are $20 for the certification paperwork and $40 to join Bladesports International. The $20 is one time unless you don't compete for 2 years in a Bladesports event then you must re-certify. The $40 is an annual membership. Some folks take more runs through each task than others. Material costs vary. Each person cut about 2.5 m of 2x4, about 4 cuts Each person cut about 10 feet of rope, about 10 cuts. About 3 golf balls, 6 golf tees, 2 38mm mailing tubes, 12 bottles of water, 6 cans of seltzer water (Coke is real sticky), and flex joint straws. Training may vary but most include several power cuts to give good safety information. Anything the trainer come up with might be added. Rolling ping pong and tennis balls have been used in competition. Copy paper hung from one edge in a fixture. Dangling toilet paper has been cut. Cans and water bottles have been cut vertically. All that stuff cost money.

Jose and I provided 5 knives for the people to use, including the knives we currently use in competition. A few folks had there own knives and were able to cut with several different pieces on several tasks. We discussed design and edge geometry.

Three safety officials are at a Bladesports event. Two of the officials follow the cutter and watch for hazards on the course and help keep the cutter from making any rule violations with verbal warnings at no penalty to the cutter. A whistle is used for emergencies. We have had children bolt on to the course.

Sponsorship is hosting an event. A $20 entry fee can vary some. Sponsor provides the materials to be cut, a venue large enough to keep the public on a safe side and out of the action, benches for the different cuts. There can be 5-6 benches set for a course cut, they are 2 ft by 4 ft by 3 feet high. Sometimes a 3x4x3 bench is used for the heavy cuts where more ballast is needed like a 2x4 cut.

The goal is for a certified cutter to be able go to any Bladesports event and know the procedure and safety requirements.

Unless there is a sponsor for a Bladesports event in which to participate in the next two years; then there is no need to certify.

The rules and procedure are experienced based and are valid to incorporate into any contest. The most important thing is to cut safely and to have fun competing. I hope this clarifies some of the focus of Bladesports International...Take Care...Ed

The General
03-07-07, 11:11 AM
Thanks for taking the time to update us Ed!:)

Longstrider
03-07-07, 08:27 PM
Thanks for the update and the info there Ed. Things seem to have gone a little quiet on the Cutting Comp front here for some reason. Perhaps we shall see these events taking off here in the future.

The figures you give for the "2x4" actually relate far more closely to a timber of 1 1/2" x 3 1/2". Is this the size of timber used solely for the training sessions or is this the same wood as is used in the competitions ?
You might guess why I would like to know ;) There's a lot of difference between 2" x 4" and 38mm x 88mm...

Ed Schempp
04-07-07, 12:49 AM
Hi Longstrider
Yes, our 2x4's are 1.5 x 3.5 and is the standard for training and competition. Most of the time guys are cutting a scaf of 8-12 inches wide at some angle to the 2x4. An angled cut actually cuts deeper than a straight cut. The compressive strength of the 2x4 pinches the blade the deeper it cuts. Angled cuts allow the material to flex and the wood chips out of the scarf much easier. 4-6 seconds is a very good time, 2.97 is the record...Take care...Ed

Longstrider
04-07-07, 01:29 AM
Hi Longstrider
Yes, our 2x4's are 1.5 x 3.5 and is the standard for training and competition. Ed

Now he tells us ! :ralmao:

Why do I always learn this sort of thing just that little bit too late to save me from myself ? Guess who got four 11 foot lengths of actual 2"x4" earlier today to practice on ! :rolleyes:

Still, like they say... "Train hard, Fight easy." ;) :)

Ed Schempp
04-07-07, 07:01 AM
Chance favors the prepared.

UK Ken
04-07-07, 09:53 AM
I have received all of the up to date information from Warren including a DVD that I intend to let people who are interested have a look at. It shows most of the cutting disciplines mentioned by Ed, how they are set up and completed.

At this early stage I am working behind the scenes to try to find the best way forward. I will be preparing "copying" the rules for the construction and geometry of the knives so we are all "singing from the same hymn sheet." I will start a separate thread where people who are interested in seeing the DVD and receiving a starter pack can put their names down.

From feedback already received prospective makers/cutters though understanding safety is very important feel that certification can wait until a time when a number of people have made their knives and are well practiced with them. I hope that we are able to gradually build a strong base for a UK ITCC cutting competition and at some point present a good challenge to our friends in the States.

Regards, Ken