http://www.britishblades.com/forums/ en Thu, 02 Sep 2010 21:07:45 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.britishblades.com/forums/images/bbrg/misc/rss.png http://www.britishblades.com/forums/ http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?110047-benchmade-stryker&goto=newpost Tue, 31 Aug 2010 15:21:28 GMT can you let me know if the benchmade stryker assaited opener is legal in the uk,as I am thinking of purchasing one,I know mikes and heinnies sell them,but a friend of mine who is a cop says they are illegal in uk,and would be classed as flick knives by police,can you advise. can you let me know if the benchmade stryker assaited opener is legal in the uk,as I am thinking of purchasing one,I know mikes and heinnies sell them,but a friend of mine who is a cop says they are illegal in uk,and would be classed as flick knives by police,can you advise. ]]> lisa_boon http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?110047-benchmade-stryker http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?109616-Spyderco-PPT-from-the-US&goto=newpost Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:27:31 GMT I want to get the Spyderco PPT. Heinnie's is the only site selling this that I can find in the UK. It seems that even taking into account duty + VAT + shipping it is still significantly cheaper. My only concern is having it seized at Mt Pleasant.

Are the odds against me? ]]> snowblink http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?109616-Spyderco-PPT-from-the-US http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?109596-What-is-good-reason&goto=newpost Mon, 23 Aug 2010 19:48:50 GMT I ended up thinking the other day about the "good reason" needed to carry anything other than everyone's favourite sub 3" non-locking folder. Probably I'm thinking too much and could most likely benefit from some fresh air, but anyway. Personally I carry a SAK Soldier day to day and rarely if ever find myself wishing for anything more, but supposing I did need something beefier...

I know the deliberately vague nature of "good reason" is there to enable a police office to apply their discretion to the situation, and we all know that demeanour and attitude are major deciding factors. I'm just interested in how far things could go if you were unlucky and The Powers That Be© decide to keel haul you to the fullest possible extent. Unlikely, but humour me, I'm just looking at "what if?".

Essentially what I'm wondering is, can our imaginary prosecution work backwards from your reason, decide the sort of knife they think you should have, and then do you if your chosen blade doesn't fit that description?

Scenario A: I'm out hiking in the woods. I decide that I'm going to take a locking folder with me; maybe I'm planning some whittling, need to cut some kindling, whatever. After my day of demonstrating my Ray Mears-esque wilderness expertise to the impartial undergrowth, I'm on my back to civilisation when I get stopped. Why am I carrying this offensive weapon? For cutting wood, I was out walking Officer... But despite my calm, polite and lucid explanation the obstinate plod is having none of it.

Or scenario B: I'm working as a labourer, and need a knife for cutting carpet, pipe, plasterboard or what have you (excuse my ignorance, I work in IT). Maybe I'm feeling flush, maybe I like my luxuries, maybe I'm a bit soft in the head, and I decide I'm going to use my Sebenza as my work knife. I'm walking home after a hard day, when suddenly: there's been an incident in the area and the suspect matches your description, please step over here sir. The knife gets found, and I'm left with a court date to look forward to.

Back to our imaginary prosecution - in both situations I need to have good reason to be carrying the knife I had chosen. I believe I have one, the need to cut kindling (hiker) or carpet (labourer). Both are "good reason" to have a knife, certainly - one for recreation, the other for work, both to my understanding falling under "good reason" guidelines - but how do I argue that the knife I need is the one I've chosen?

For our hiker, arguably a Spyderco UKPK could do the same job if you're careful, and we all know that having a lock to prevent the knife accidentally closing on one's fingers is not seen as a good enough excuse. The labourer would more commonly be expected to carry a Stanley type knife, probably the better tool for the job, but the Sebbie would work perfectly well. If my knife is surplus to what I would need in order to fulfill the task mentioned, or is simply different to what is necessarily expected, could it then be posited that I must be carrying the knife for some other, more nefarious, reason?

I'm looking at the theoretical possibilities here: I know the likelihood of this occurring if you're sensible about things is slim, and I'm not suggesting that many coppers would be dense enough to take things this far unless you did something to provoke it. But still, does "good reason" to carry a capable knife constitute good reason to carry a locking knife? And if my knife is different to the norm (within sensible limits - obviously a machete for a walk in the woods is hardly appropriate, etc), would it be assumed that I'm carrying it as an offensive weapon?

Apologies for the Great Wall O' Text, or if this has been covered before. :rolleyes: ]]> Phreemann http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?109596-What-is-good-reason http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?109540-Customs-and-Legality-of-having-a-knife-delivered-from-France&goto=newpost Sun, 22 Aug 2010 19:39:40 GMT I've been lurking here for a while but finally registered to ask a question:

I'm hoping to get a custom Opinel made in France and sent here (England). I estimate the value to be about €60.

Where do I stand on custom duties, VAT, legality of having a knife sent, what courier to use, what the contents should be marked as etc...

I realise the sensitivity of knife laws and restrictions in this country so I want to get this right first time to avoid paying over the odds or never receiving my knife!

Thanks! ]]> gdnknf http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?109540-Customs-and-Legality-of-having-a-knife-delivered-from-France http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?109446-Benchmade-Griptilian-a-letter-from-UKBA&goto=newpost Sat, 21 Aug 2010 01:32:52 GMT Just received a letter from UKBA informing me that my Benchmade Griptilian from the States has been seized because it was a Gravity knife therefore considered to be illegal in this country. I contacted the UKBA, the gentleman told me that the officer who examined the 551 was a very experienced... Just received a letter from UKBA informing me that my Benchmade Griptilian from the States has been seized because it was a Gravity knife therefore considered to be illegal in this country. I contacted the UKBA, the gentleman told me that the officer who examined the 551 was a very experienced office in illegal knife and the decision to seize my knife was a correct one. I then asked for advice on how to appeal to the seizure and was warned of the circumstances if I lose the appeal, bear all legal costs etc. I have never handled a 551 before but never heard it been described as a gravity knife and our favourite shop also confirmed the fact that it was not a gravity knife. Can someone who has one try to flip it open using simply the flip of your wrist? I am not sure if I should appeal :surrender:, would love to know what other members' thoughts on this.....:( ]]> campinghiker http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?109446-Benchmade-Griptilian-a-letter-from-UKBA http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?109369-Ebay-cheating&goto=newpost Thu, 19 Aug 2010 12:43:57 GMT Hello everyone can you cheat ebay by going on ebay.com and succesfully order a knife? Thanks sam Hello everyone can you cheat ebay by going on ebay.com and succesfully order a knife?

Thanks sam ]]> gramps http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?109369-Ebay-cheating http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?109310-Once-bitten-twice-shy&goto=newpost Wed, 18 Aug 2010 12:59:59 GMT Advice please.

Before I place an order to 'Endtimesreport' in the US, can anyone tell me if there is anyway that I cannot import/am not allowed to import one of their mini-grappling hooks(it is just a gadgety bit of fun :D). Having lost a knife to the UKBA, I don't want anything else to go that route.

cheers

Kawasemi ]]> kawasemi http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?109310-Once-bitten-twice-shy http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?109250-Something-banned-that-finally-makes-sense....&goto=newpost Tue, 17 Aug 2010 11:57:18 GMT If you havent heard yet, under the governments new "freedom bill" ...clamping of cars on private land by privately operated clamping companies will be banned in November....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10993473

Hoorahhh for common sense. ]]> Martyn http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?109250-Something-banned-that-finally-makes-sense.... http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?109228-Really-confusing-what-can-you-not-own-at-all-not-even-in-your-home&goto=newpost Mon, 16 Aug 2010 19:49:25 GMT Evening all im really confused i read up on the legal side of things and then somebody willcsay u shudnt own that. As far as i now butterfly knives are banned, unless made and owned before 1970? Brass knuckles ive always been told are illegal but theres a bloke on youtube who has a... Evening all

im really confused i read up on the legal side of things and then somebody willcsay u shudnt own that.

As far as i now butterfly knives are banned, unless made and owned before 1970?

Brass knuckles ive always been told are illegal but theres a bloke on youtube who has a collection

all flick knives are illegal?

Thanks please someone clear this up for me

Gramps ]]> gramps http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?109228-Really-confusing-what-can-you-not-own-at-all-not-even-in-your-home http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?109082-Shamshir-from-India&goto=newpost Fri, 13 Aug 2010 22:18:16 GMT Hi everyone

(this is my first post by the way ... but I've been lurking for a little over 2 years ...)

I was wondering how legal something like this would be: http://www.ancientarms.biz/servlet/Detail?no=603. It's hand-made with traditional methods, and it's shipped from India. Obviously not to carry around, but to buy it and keep it in the house.

(Not really sure where else to ask ....)

Thanks! :) ]]> daryush http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?109082-Shamshir-from-India http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?109061-A-blade-folding-into-a-handle-or-a-cover-folding-around-a-blade&goto=newpost Fri, 13 Aug 2010 14:53:05 GMT Reading this thread on Bushcraft uk last night and the reply from Darkaz got me thinking. I have been EDCing my moded orange peasant since last year without a thought that it may fall foul of some interesting interpretation. The thread has been largely ignored on BCUK but I thought I’d mention it... Reading this thread on Bushcraft uk last night and the reply from Darkaz got me thinking. I have been EDCing my moded orange peasant since last year without a thought that it may fall foul of some interesting interpretation. The thread has been largely ignored on BCUK but I thought I’d mention it here and see what you all think.

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60146 ]]> SteveW http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?109061-A-blade-folding-into-a-handle-or-a-cover-folding-around-a-blade http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?109028-Call-for-new-knife-crime-measures-in-NI&goto=newpost Thu, 12 Aug 2010 20:54:50 GMT :( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-10937864 :(

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-10937864 ]]> Jacknife http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?109028-Call-for-new-knife-crime-measures-in-NI http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?109004-Legal-Multitools-would-this-be-classed-as-a-lock&goto=newpost Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:28:48 GMT A lot of multitools, like the Kick, PST and SOG Paratool have a feature Leatherman call Posi-Stop. The blades don't lock in the conventional sense but, when the tool's handles are closed, they prevent the blades and other implements from fully closing; the blade can fold to 30 - 35 degrees from the vertical.



My question is would this be seen as a lock for the purposes of section 139?

Reading through the recent thread about the confiscated UKPK Lightweight, in post 281 ChrisR says that the law states that for a knife to be non-locking the blades must be immediately foldable but it doesn't say anything about them being closable.

The blades on the Kick etc don't close but they certainly do fold, so am I correct in thinking that they would be classed as non-locking? ]]> Craig123 http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?109004-Legal-Multitools-would-this-be-classed-as-a-lock http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?108987-The-Police-State-of-New-South-Wales!!&goto=newpost Thu, 12 Aug 2010 04:35:14 GMT Hi to all Aussies in this Forum

And to let our British cousins know what crap we have to deal with. With a Federal Election campaign on right now Knife owners have become a Whipping Boy as well!

Here is a Media Release straight from the Australasian Knife Collectors (AKC)


"NSW: In October 2007, the AKC was asked by NSW Police Licencing to be are recognised as an approved society for collectors wishing to apply for a prohibited wepaons permit in that state. The AKC complied and was the ONLY knife club registered in that state. However, on the 7th July 2010, the Club received an email stating its approved status had been terminated as of the 7th July 2010 (the day we received notification) and a new application would need to be completed. It was not accepted and returned with a request for additional information. We objected strongly and provided argument as to why we would not and could not comply with the terms laid down. We received notification that no aspect of the regulations could be waived and that we had 14 days with which to comply or our application would cease.
Due to the newly legislated regulations that required the club to provide a complete list of names and addresses of EVERY club member, and to keep that list updated with the NSW Police Dept, the AKC has withdrawn its application to be an 'approved society for prohibited weapon ownership' because it contravenes the confidentiality clause that the AKC Club has had in place since its inception in 1990. (Full information in club members 2010 Digest to be released later this year.)"

Once again the bully boys in the Police and Parliament want to beat on the law abiding in an effort to make themselves look good!

Dealing with the real problems of inequality, poverty, drug and alcohol and mental health issues is too much of a challenge for them. Better to have a Clayton's solution!

This does not bode well for law abiding knife owners in the NSW. :mad::mad:


Regards Dutchy ]]> Dutchy357 http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?108987-The-Police-State-of-New-South-Wales!! http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?108941-The-Mount-Pleasant-NYC-interpretation&goto=newpost Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:31:30 GMT From reading this forum it seems that HM Customs are interpreting knives that can be opened by the "spidey drop" method as gravity knives. I've seen elsewhere that the New York authorities are now making a similar interpretation. There hasn't been a change in the law in NY AFAIK, just a change in policy by the police/prosecutors.

What are people's opinions about the risk of a similar interpretation being applied by the UK police and courts? I've just bought a Buck 110, and the sheer weight of brass in the handle means it almost drops open just picking it up by the blade. Is it possible that someone could decide that I (and obviously many others) have illegally purchased a gravity knife? ]]> Shibafu http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?108941-The-Mount-Pleasant-NYC-interpretation