Spyderco BB Forum knife: price and lock poll

[Monsieur]

It should be a win-win for both Spyderco & BB

I think Sal even said win/win/win

[ChrisR]

Hmm, just a thought ... but in terms of etching could we have it kept fairly unobtrusive on the blade (ie. just logos) and maybe etch the spine with any wording (eg. "2010 BritishBlades.com") ? I just hate it when a blade with great lines and a wonderful finish is covered with huge logos and lots of words

[jim410]

Hmm, just a thought ... but in terms of etching could we have it kept fairly unobtrusive on the blade (ie. just logos) and maybe etch the spine with any wording (eg. "2010 BritishBlades.com") ? I just hate it when a blade with great lines and a wonderful finish is covered with huge logos and lots of words

i like this idea chris, i know what you mean with the too many words statement.

[Saint-Just]

Those who want a forum knife at the £35 price point should get themselves a Tenacious, or are not asking the right company. Opinel, Mora and Vic/Wenger are excellent knives, and within budget.
Byrd can also be within that price, but the quantities involved are beyond the <60 members who took part to the vote. By a factor of 100? 1000? Sal knows, I don't.

Take the average price for a Spyderco, and you're around £60 to £80. Which may very well be beyond what some think reasonable to pay for a pen knife. Understand that you'll get a supersteel (has become a bit of a Spyderco trademark), understand that it will probably be made in Golden (because of quantities involved) so more expensive than made in China.

Then you can decide if it's for you or not, and if it will be a user or not. But if there isn't a Spyderco in the current production that fits your budget it isn't realistic to ask for a new one.

[*Dusty*]

Those who want a forum knife at the £35 price point should get themselves a Tenacious, or are not asking the right company. Opinel, Mora and Vic/Wenger are excellent knives, and within budget.
Byrd can also be within that price, but the quantities involved are beyond the <60 members who took part to the vote. By a factor of 100? 1000? Sal knows, I don't.

Take the average price for a Spyderco, and you're around £60 to £80. Which may very well be beyond what some think reasonable to pay for a pen knife. Understand that you'll get a supersteel (has become a bit of a Spyderco trademark), understand that it will probably be made in Golden (because of quantities involved) so more expensive than made in China.

Then you can decide if it's for you or not, and if it will be a user or not. But if there isn't a Spyderco in the current production that fits your budget it isn't realistic to ask for a new one.

All fair points and well made but knives over a certain price point are automatically going to exclude a lot of people too, in that instance you lose the power of numbers required for spyderco to even consider a specialist run so no one gets any kind of knife, premium OR budget.

[ChrisR]

Yeah, I would just like to aim for something in the same price range as the current UKPK FRN, which nearly everyone can afford and most of us can even afford 2 or more.

Now, given that this is a lower production run and with some changes I think it's unrealistic to expect it to hit our door-mats for 40-quid delivered so I voted for 50-quid. If Sal can find a way to make it cheaper then great - but I think 50-quid delivered is a fair price for the majority of BB members and it will enable Sal to make a larger production run and sell more - keeping his costs-per-unit down and increasing his profit on the model

The Forum knife is supposed to reach as many members of BB as possible and I am sure that all these ideas for more expensive models will find their way to the Spyderco design tables at some time or another - maybe not as a Forum knife but as a sprint or a new model in the coming years

[Hatethatgiraffe]

I understand all the arguments regarding costs and can agree in part that a higher value knife isn't going to be used by everyone as EDC!
This however isn't going to be a regular thing, it's a chance for us as a forum to get something special, a stamp of our identity in the knife world.
If you wanna be seen as a cost cutting collective then £35 is fair enough but as Marc has said an "average" spydie costs £60-80 surely something special is worth that tiny bit more

[philuk44]

Voted for no lock and £80 but on reflection maybe should have gone for £100. Of course less would be good too.......
Anyway, it's great of Sal to even think about this - top bloke.

Phil

[ChrisR]

This however isn't going to be a regular thing, it's a chance for us as a forum to get something special, a stamp of our identity in the knife works.

Maybe ... but at least on the Spyderco forums there have been quite a lot of Forum knives (about 10-ish?) and Sal has done Forum knives for other 'fora' in the past, so it is something that Sal is happy to repeat if it all works out and benefits everyone

[nitrambur]

UKPK FRN fits the £35 price point.

Retail in US is $38.95 thats roughly £25.50,
now they're not being sold at cost so knock off say 15% profit to get the wholesale = £21.68.
A box of 100 = £2168,
add shipping say £100 = £2268,
duty at 8% and vat at 17.5% = £2878.
Unit cost in UK £28.78,
add your 15% profit on £33.10

[Monsieur]

UKPK FRN fits the £35 price point.

Retail in US is $38.95 thats roughly £25.50,
now they're not being sold at cost so knock off say 15% profit to get the wholesale = £21.68.
A box of 100 = £2168,
add shipping say £100 = £2268,
duty at 8% and vat at 17.5% = £2878.
Unit cost in UK £28.78,
add your 15% profit on £33.10

You forgot VAT for end user so that takes it up to £38.90
and then shipping to end user add another £2

and that under the assumption that you will find a retailer that will take only a fiver out of a £40 knife!

Let's leave the cost to Sal because as ChrisR rightly said he only knows what such a knife involves in terms of costs.

[nitrambur]

You forgot VAT for end user so that takes it up to £38.90
and then shipping to end user add another £2

and that under the assumption that you will find a retailer that will take only a fiver out of a £40 knife!

Let's leave the cost to Sal because as ChrisR rightly said he only knows what such a knife involves in terms of costs.

VAT added twice?

[Monsieur]

Yep

You pay VAT (VAT1) on the import value and then you charge VAT(VAT2) on the selling price too. Of course the retailer will claim VAT1 back but will owe VAT2 to HMRC. Because VAT1 is always smaller than VAT2 that's money off the retailer's pocket

[Bullseye]

I just voted on my slippy/lock choice. Now I can't seem to vote for a price point. How do I cast a second vote for my price point?

[Saint-Just]

If you want an existing knife in the Spyderco range why take part in defining another one?
Yes the tenacious and the frn ukpk may be around the <£40, but then what do you expect Sal to do?

I am far from being wealthy, with very little disposable income at the moment. But if I know that by Christmas there will be a special BB Spyderco around £80/£100, I believe I can find them, putting aside an extra £20 a month.
I totally respect those who will not put that amount into a knife. But just because we all want to drive a premium brand car for the price of a 10 yo corsa doesn't mean we'll get it