Stock removal.

[Dave Barker]

Ok.

I need an idiots guide.( cos im n idiot and I'm saying that before someone else does mushy)

IF I were to consider producing a blade or two of my own, and use the stock removal method, what would I need equipment wise to do it.

The second question is this, what are the pros and cons of stock removal agains laminating ( scandi style)

I've seen some pictorials with regard to stockremoval and it all looks quite straight forward ( apart fromthe welding bit..)

Anyone take the challenge to explain............

[keith_beef]

Ok.

I need an idiots guide.( cos im n idiot and I'm saying that before someone else does mushy)

IF I were to consider producing a blade or two of my own, and use the stock removal method, what would I need equipment wise to do it.

The second question is this, what are the pros and cons of stock removal agains laminating ( scandi style)

I've seen some pictorials with regard to stockremoval and it all looks quite straight forward ( apart fromthe welding bit..)

Anyone take the challenge to explain............

I can't remember where I read this, but the difference between forging and stock removal is:

forging is Bang, make flat
stock removal is Grind, make sparks...

Well, as I have mentioned before, I know a Finn who makes puukko blades with just hand files and a saw. You mention welding, maybe by this you mean welding a piece of round bar (maybe threaded bar) onto a stub tang. This is quick, and gets you a soft mild steel tang on a hard steel blade. But you don't need to wel, hard silver soldering (or brazing) is good enough, according to Hrisoulas.

I once made a very small, tanto shaped blade for my wife using a mounted stone in the chuck of a hand-held drill, from an old piece of EN42. Small enough to harden in the gas cooker flame.



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[MushiSushi]

Ok.

I need an idiots guide.( cos im n idiot and I'm saying that before someone else does mushy)

I NEVER!!! :

IF I were to consider producing a blade or two of my own, and use the stock removal method, what would I need equipment wise to do it.

The second question is this, what are the pros and cons of stock removal agains laminating ( scandi style)

I've seen some pictorials with regard to stockremoval and it all looks quite straight forward ( apart fromthe welding bit..)

Anyone take the challenge to explain............

for stock removal on scandistyle blades I reckon you could get away with a powerfile and a hacksaw and a vice, some files and then on to silicon carbide paper, considering the space you have to work. you probably don't have much space for anything else. Then you got HT, but you could farm that out.
For the laminating question, from what I have read, I am not sure how much of a gimmick that is considering the quality of modern steels, the qualities of the blade are really going to be down to the HT and getting it right for the steel you use.

of course if you want to try the HT yourself, here's a scandistyle maker with a rather dubious looking set up, hope he's not one of the scandinavians we have on here : or I might be in twouble for posting his site
http://valkyriacut.topcities.com/pictures.html
it just shows what you can get away with when you only have basic stuff

[Dave Barker]

You are right... YOU ARE IN TWUBBLE cos he aint here!!

a hacksaw to cut the shape right! files to round off burrs and the like and paper to finish. From what grade to what grade. I know a certain noggin who would probably do the HT for me. won't you trond??

sharpening etc by the same person. What about the tang though, need to be welded/brazed? or can that be cut too?

Told you I was an idiot!

[PS_Bond]

I *think* the welding being referred to is the steel lamination. Of course, if you're forge-welding, then you might as well continue and forge the blade the rest of the way.

Easiest way to try would be to get hold of some annealed O1 and a few files...

Added -

Papers - from 80 grit to, say, 1200 grit; stop at around 400ish before HT as you'll need to clean scale off after that.

Tang - continuation of the blade, cut to shape (avoid any internal right angles, they act as stress risers which can cause cracks to start & propogate).

Files - coarse to fine. (Technical - bastard cut, second cut, smooth cut). Get all of the scratches out from the previous grade (file or paper) before moving onto the next; always use paper with a hard backing behind it.

Nike!

[MushiSushi]

you can cut the tang as one piece with the blade.
yep, that's what you do with the hacksaw, if you can get them, try cobalt blades in your hacksaw.
powerfile for the initial bevel grind and files and paper to finish .. anything from 120 grit to 1200 grit ... what ever takes your fancy
Idiocy and lack of knowledge are not synonymous, if'n'you don't know, search or ask, 'swhat i do :p :wink:

[Dave Barker]

Ok thanks so far....

Next question.... the bevel, how do I do that bit.

[Dave Barker]

Oh and what is a power file??? Never heard of it ( I live in the frozen mid west of the country where they make their own hooch from spuds and peas)

[MushiSushi]

DIS IS WHATCHEWWANT grinding when in confined spaces.
Put the tang of the blade in the vice, edge facing forward, turn on power file :p and place on blade at approximate angle you want bevel, and move up and down to get an even bevel. it's a little more ergonomic in confined spaces than a bench grinder, ask Colin, I think i converted him although I can't do anything about his drunken behaviour or penchant for dressing in tights and chatting in the chatroom while naked. :nono: :banned:

[ugug]

I agree with Mushi.. the cobalt steel blades he recommended are a godsend.. i'm even going to buy one of those powerfiles once i can get over how easy it is to cut O1


ugug

[PS_Bond]

I cut mine with a chisel these days

[Sajuma]

Hello everybody,
I 've just registerd here cause I heard that you were talking about my knives and my working methods. Those working methods work for me and I can assure you that my knives and Puukkos work too.
I'm not here to make a fortune with my knifetinkering, I make them because I like it and I need a brake from work. And for the tools and methods... It's all I have and it has to be enough. I would love to have lots of power tools and belt sanders and such but since I dont, I have to cope with the tools I got...
I'm open to all new and old ideas for knife/Puukko making and hope to hear from all of you soon.

Juha
http://valkyriacut.topcities.com/

[MushiSushi]

I knew I would get in twouble ...... Hi Juha and welcome, I post on rec.knives as Simon quite a bit and like to have the occasional wordy sparring match with Chas, just for sport you know . I remembered your post when you posted your link (and saved the link for reference) and I was impressed with what you had achieved with the bare basics. It wasn't meant as a criticism, more a compliment in the achievements in knife making, over facilities, and we're just trying to egg Dave on and get him to make his own blades I thought you example cancelled out his excuse that he didn't have the facilities

[keith_beef]

Hello everybody,
I 've just registerd here cause I heard that you were talking about my knives and my working methods. Those working methods work for me and I can assure you that my knives and Puukkos work too.
I'm not here to make a fortune with my knifetinkering, I make them because I like it and I need a brake from work. And for the tools and methods... It's all I have and it has to be enough. I would love to have lots of power tools and belt sanders and such but since I dont, I have to cope with the tools I got...
I'm open to all new and old ideas for knife/Puukko making and hope to hear from all of you soon.

Juha
http://valkyriacut.topcities.com/

Hyvää paivää Juha!

Nice to see you here, after all this time.


Keith.

[keith_beef]

I knew I would get in twouble ...... Hi Juha and welcome, I post on rec.knives as Simon quite a bit and like to have the occasional wordy sparring match with Chas, just for sport you know . I remembered your post when you posted your link (and saved the link for reference) and I was impressed with what you had achieved with the bare basics. It wasn't meant as a criticism, more a compliment in the achievements in knife making, over facilities, and we're just trying to egg Dave on and get him to make his own blades I thought you example cancelled out his excuse that he didn't have the facilities

Hee hee hee!

Why, when you have such a distinguished name, would you want to pick the nickname "Simon" when you post to rec.knives?



Keith.