Pubs, clubs and knives.

[zorro]

It's not illegal to photograph a police station, or police officers for that matter. You may be questioned if you can reasonably be suspected of engaging in terrorist activity, which you obviously were not. It sounds as though someone exceeded their authority.

http://www.met.police.uk/about/photography.htm

"Photography and Section 43 of the Terrorism Act 2000

Officers have the power to stop and search a person who they reasonably suspect to be a terrorist. The purpose of the stop and search is to discover whether that person has in their possession anything which may constitute evidence that they are a terrorist.

Officers have the power to view digital images contained in mobile telephones or cameras carried by a person searched under S43 of the Terrorism Act 2000 to discover whether the images constitute evidence that the person is involved in terrorism. Officers also have the power to seize and retain any article found during the search which the officer reasonably suspects may constitute evidence that the person is a terrorist. This includes any mobile telephone or camera containing such evidence.

Officers do not have the power to delete digital images or destroy film at any point during a search. Deletion or destruction may only take place following seizure if there is a lawful power (such as a court order) that permits such deletion or destruction."

[zorro]

Double double post post

[Rogue]

Courts are actually covered seperately in, funnily enough, the Courts Act 2003.

I won't type the whole thing out, you'll be glad to hear, but I draw your attention to sections 52, 54, 55 and (specifically relevant to knives) 55A.

In summary, s 52 gives the security officer permission to search, s 54 gives them the power to request surrender or to seize. Most items fall under s 55, which allows the security officer to hold on to the item for up to 24 hours if they believe it may be related to an offence, in order to bring it to the attention of the police.

Knives are specifically dealt with under s 55A and s 55 does NOT apply in this situation. It applies to all knives, regardless of length or folding/locking status. It tells us that it must be dealt with under the regulations set out in s 56. Unfortunately, s 56 simply tells us that some regulations must be made

But wait, what's this? Thanks to the miracle that is the internet, I can present to you... The Retention of Knives in Court Regulations 2012.

Under the Regulations, the knive is NOT to be returned when you leave the building. The owner must make a written request to the Court Manager within 28 days. While I only skim read the Regulation, I guess the knife would probably be disposed of after this time.

The moral of this story is... don't bring a knife to a law fight. Or... something

[earthman]

Does this only apply if the vehicle is on the public highway though?

Maybe but what's your point? Most motor vehicles are used on the public highway at some time.

[Rogue]

I'm glad the police are called because then you can be arrested for theft.

As a private security guard you have no legal right to seize anything.

Danzo

Unfortunately he would have statutory authority in this specific instance, as long as he is appointed under s 51 Courts Act 2003

Edited to add: Apologies for any contradiction, Danzo, in most respects I give way to your knowledge. I suspect the confusion may be because the poster was talking about doorwork and courtwork. The poster then specifically referred to seizing the knife in relation to courtwork where he would in fact have legal authority to do so.

[banksy]

Yes, exactly.

http://www.met.police.uk/about/photography.htm

"Photography and Section 43 of the Terrorism Act 2000

Officers have the power to stop and search a person who they reasonably suspect to be a terrorist. The purpose of the stop and search is to discover whether that person has in their possession anything which may constitute evidence that they are a terrorist.

Officers have the power to view digital images contained in mobile telephones or cameras carried by a person searched under S43 of the Terrorism Act 2000 to discover whether the images constitute evidence that the person is involved in terrorism. Officers also have the power to seize and retain any article found during the search which the officer reasonably suspects may constitute evidence that the person is a terrorist. This includes any mobile telephone or camera containing such evidence.

Officers do not have the power to delete digital images or destroy film at any point during a search. Deletion or destruction may only take place following seizure if there is a lawful power (such as a court order) that permits such deletion or destruction."

[banksy]

dp

[Manofkent]

Under the Regulations, the knive is NOT to be returned when you leave the building. The owner must make a written request to the Court Manager within 28 days. While I only skim read the Regulation, I guess the knife would probably be disposed of after this time.

Wow.
Massive appologies to Shooter1990. And kudos for a fine bit of reading and research!
I must admit I am pretty shocked though.

[Rogue]

I would have thought that all those points would apply to the inside of my vehicle too, so why is that not classed has a private place.

As Danzo said, it basically boils down to "because a court said so." There is logic to this, however. A car has the legal status of a "chattel", an item of personal property that is moveable, just like your rucksack, hand/manbag, even trousers. Any item that is in your car/bag/trouser pocket while you are in public is also "in public". For the purpose of this legislation, consider your car to be an enormous pair of trousers

[zorro]

Maybe but what's your point?

My point is that if your vehicle is being used on private land that does not allow public access then it cannot be described as "a public place"

Most motor vehicles are used on the public highway at some time.

I can't argue with that.

[earthman]

As Danzo said, it basically boils down to "because a court said so." There is logic to this, however. A car has the legal status of a "chattel", an item of personal property that is moveable, just like your rucksack, hand/manbag, even trousers. Any item that is in your car/bag/trouser pocket while you are in public is also "in public". For the purpose of this legislation, consider your car to be an enormous pair of trousers

Thanks for the logical explanation, not sure that I agree that a car is the same as a bag, trousers etc but I get their drift.

[zorro]

I'll have another double, and get one for yourself.

[earthman]

My point is that if your vehicle is being used on private land that does not allow public access then it cannot be described as "a public place"

You'd already be on private land so it's kind of a pointless question isn't it.

[zorro]

You'd already be on private land so it's kind of a pointless question isn't it.

I'm sat in my front room at the moment, you could argue that my very existence is pointless in the greater scheme of things.

[earthman]

I'm sat in my front room at the moment, you could argue that my very existence is pointless in the greater scheme of things.

LOL, no, because your a VIP member on BB.