Prototype Spyderco EDC legal

[bayvillageidiot]

No problem
No, not really good names for a knife.
How about just plain SpyDK? Works for me.

Phonetically a funny 'variation' of Spyderco.

Just rolls off the tongue, that.
It already sounds familiar.
Brilliant!

[ngraudal]

You could also call it Holger, after Holger Danske, the guy who's supposed to live in the dungeons under Kronborg Castle and appear and help out when the country needs it.

[thekapow]

Some really nice sketches there Thekapow.
The hole in the blade will not make the knife illegal per se, being really technical, if it is possible to OHO the knife the knife is illegal. The reason for the Gerber Gator being regarded as an OHO is, that it is OHO, just as well as the Buck110 is OHO with some training (2 min).
I would love some more "leaf" shape from the blade.



Sal, you have access to all your SlipIt series, how tight are the backsprings? Would it be possible to OHO a knife if it had no hole in it? How big does the hole have to be?
A very small hole (no chamferring) providing no traction could be the simple solution to the old DKPK?

like this?.. leaf shape.. old dkpk, with tiny hole.. SpyDK

could be pretty amazing..

sal, in the shot show 2011 video with nutnfancy, you say that you adjust the sping in the ukpk, all the time.. not too tight, not too loose.. does that mean it will be pretty easy to make a strong spring?.. the ukpk looks a bit to loose for this purpose.

[sal]

We would have to make the spring strong enough to eliminate the possibility of one hand open. I did work on a design based on the original DK concept, but shaved off what I felt could go. "No more than necessary, no less than perfect". The design looks more like the Chaparral to the Sage. The spyDK to the UK. The smaller blade does not need a large handle. Only large enough (with the finger choil in use) to fill a large hand. The hole placement is fairly critical to achieve the "look" that the trademark needs, but I think I have it in the right place.

I decided not to engrave around the hole (sorry Zackerty) as I think that it would tamper with the "single round hole" look. I also am leaning to not adding a nail nick. I think one can pinch the small hole between thumb and index finger or grab the blade closer to the tip to open.

We're CADDing up the drawing now and making sure everything fits. Make some "ergo" models and when I satisfied, we'll make a proto. I'm going to need a way to select a volunteer to test the proto and take it to the authorities in Denmark for an "official" judgement.

Thoughts?

sal

[Noddy]

[ngraudal]

It should be possible to have the knife checked out at a weapons office in one of the bigger policestations, and then possibly request to have the knife checked out at "Rigspolitiets" (it's their hed office) weapons departement.
The knife will need to be followed by papers that stte that the hole is a Trademark, as well as a techical explanation of why the hole is not a breach of danish law.
I shall be happy to write the technical explantion in both danish and english, but it will only be a "laymans" interpretation, I'm not a lawyer, I'm a medical student.

[pieinthesky]

If you had a large Spidie hole which just peeks out of the handle when the knife is closed, it could be used as a nail nick and would give the full Spidie look when the knife is open.

Keep the rest of the blade well covered when closed and it is a safe two hand opener. Maybe have enough blade showing towards the tip so it can be pinched out with finger tips for an alternative way of opening.

As the hole will be close to the pivot compared to a nail nick the spring wouldnt need to be overly strong to prevent OHO.

A bit like this but with a bit more hole showing and a bit less blade.

I guess its a bit late in the day for suggestions though.

[thekapow]

It should be possible to have the knife checked out at a weapons office in one of the bigger policestations, and then possibly request to have the knife checked out at "Rigspolitiets" (it's their hed office) weapons departement.
The knife will need to be followed by papers that stte that the hole is a Trademark, as well as a techical explanation of why the hole is not a breach of danish law.
I shall be happy to write the technical explantion in both danish and english, but it will only be a "laymans" interpretation, I'm not a lawyer, I'm a medical student.

Are you sure? The HSR knives never managed to get anything down on paper as far as i remember, and their situation was the same as this.. But maybe if we use all our academic titels xD it will help convince justitsministeriet that they need to spend some time looking at this knife

[ngraudal]

Are you sure? The HSR knives never managed to get anything down on paper as far as i remember, and their situation was the same as this.. But maybe if we use all our academic titels xD it will help convince justitsministeriet that they need to spend some time looking at this knife

I've had several talks with the Department of Justice, about what makes a knife OHO, and, by the letter of the law and all that BS, it is the OHO that is forbidden, I am so confident in my interpretation of the law, that I would carry a knife similar to your drawings, and should it happen that I am stopped and searched, I would take it all the way to the high-court. After all, I can OHO a Swiss Armyknife, witch means it is illegal too, I still carry one every day.

Has the HSR-knives been "blacklisted"?

[BladeScout]

We would have to make the spring strong enough to eliminate the possibility of one hand open. I did work on a design based on the original DK concept, but shaved off what I felt could go. "No more than necessary, no less than perfect". The design looks more like the Chaparral to the Sage. The spyDK to the UK. The smaller blade does not need a large handle. Only large enough (with the finger choil in use) to fill a large hand. The hole placement is fairly critical to achieve the "look" that the trademark needs, but I think I have it in the right place.

I decided not to engrave around the hole (sorry Zackerty) as I think that it would tamper with the "single round hole" look. I also am leaning to not adding a nail nick. I think one can pinch the small hole between thumb and index finger or grab the blade closer to the tip to open.

We're CADDing up the drawing now and making sure everything fits. Make some "ergo" models and when I satisfied, we'll make a proto. I'm going to need a way to select a volunteer to test the proto and take it to the authorities in Denmark for an "official" judgement.

Thoughts?

sal

I'll be glad to help out anyway I can, Sal.

Would be great to have a new Spyderco model both in DK, the UK and elsewhere.

[thekapow]

I've had several talks with the Department of Justice, about what makes a knife OHO, and, by the letter of the law and all that BS, it is the OHO that is forbidden, I am so confident in my interpretation of the law, that I would carry a knife similar to your drawings, and should it happen that I am stopped and searched, I would take it all the way to the high-court. After all, I can OHO a Swiss Armyknife, witch means it is illegal too, I still carry one every day.

Has the HSR-knives been "blacklisted"?

My english suck, we should speak danish, or german wich i am alot stronger in.. But what my point was, are you sure it would be possible to get someone to confirm that this knife is legal.. And write it on a paper? I dont think hsr is blacklisted, but they tried many times to get someone to write a letter 'this knife is legal to carry - mvh some police guy'.. And no one wanted to confirm if it was legal or not

[earthman]

But what my point was, are you sure it would be possible to get someone to confirm that this knife is legal.. And write it on a paper? I dont think hsr is blacklisted, but they tried many times to get someone to write a letter 'this knife is legal to carry - mvh some police guy'.. And no one wanted to confirm if it was legal or not

I understand your point and agree, I reckon it would be the same situation here in the UK if for example some took a UKPK to a similar place.

[sal]

While we all understand the ignorance of many laws, if we're to be law abiding, we must extend the effort to comply. If possible, as in the US, we have groups (AKTI & Knife Rights) that try to change these laws.

The Squeak is kind of an ultimate compliance model and as we add colors, it becomes even more NKP friendly. With the Pingo, and new the spyDK, we can add additional designs that permit a knife afi to carry a quality high performance cutting tool without concern even in places like Denmark.

The "edge" is a human tool that permits matter separation. An activity that is very limited with just teeth and fingernails. Threre are many ways to create and produce an edge that is portable where ever on the Earth we may be. It's kind of a partnership betwen maker and user.

sal

[BladeScout]

Well, if the SpyDK edge could be attached to a leaf-shaped blade and have a tan handle with a Squeak-like wire clip, I would be happy as a hog in mud!

[sal]

I'll post some pics when the CAD drawing is finished. Better to get input early in the process.

Really appreciate all of the help and support.

sal