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    Waterstones & Sharpening...

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    The use of natural stones for shaping and sharpening tools goes back to the beginning of mankind. Today craftsmen still rely on these traditional abrasive materials to hone their modern edge tools. Both waterstones and oilstones are mined and sold throughout the world as premium sharpening materials. But as the veins of this material slowly run out, the availability of natural stones decreases, and the cost per stone increases accordingly (some natural polishing stones in Japan cost over $2,000.00!). To combat this inevitable supply-and-demand trend, man-made synthetic abrasives have been developed with the help of modern technology. Duplicating and advancing upon the benefits of natural stones, the new synthetic abrasives give craftsmen superb sharpening performance with consistent grain/ grit composition, sizing availability, and at a reasonable cost. When comparing stone grits, it should be noted that the American grading system varies from the Japanese system. Both are based on measuring the abrasive particles in microns, a unit of length equal to one millionth of a meter. The final scale used to equate a measurement is different however. For example, a stone averaging particle sizes of 37 microns would be classified as about 320 grit on the American scale, 500 grit on the Japanese. The chart below gives an approximation of this relationship.



    Japanese waterstone grades fall under three major groups: very coarse grits for fast removal of metal; medium coarse grits for refining the edge and removing the burr; and finish stones for the final honing and polish. These grades cover a range of 150 to 8000, and they don't exactly match up with U.S. grades. For example, the abrasive action of a 1000 grit Japanese stone is the equivalent of US 500; and the Japanese 4000, a US 1000.

    Waterstones sharpen with great efficiency because of the nature of their construction. They are made by fusing together very sharp abrasive particles (aluminum oxide, silicon carbide) with a porous bonding agent designed to break down with use. As the "dull" grit particles are broken off, fresh sharp particle edges are exposed to the edge being honed. For this reason, waterstones will wear more quickly than other stones, but they are easily dressed to restore their original flatness or to shape them to a desired contour. This makes them ideal for sharpening all types of flat and curved cutting tools.

    Using Waterstones
    The techniques for sharpening and honing with a waterstone are essentially the same as those used with oilstones. To allow the surface to wear evenly, your honing motion should utilize as much of the surface as possible. While the pattern will differ according to the tool, a figure eight motion proves efficient (Figure 1). This is especially important for very narrow tool edges, which can quickly wear a groove in a stone's surface. The motion for chisel or plane blades, the width of which approaches the width of the stone's surface, should utilize the full length of the stone (Figure 2). As with oilstones, a liquid must used during honing to facilitate the process and to keep the stone from "loading" (having the pores clogged with metal particles). Waterstones should be soaked in a shallow container of water for a few minutes prior to use. The time required will vary based on the stone's porosity. A fine polishing stone will take 15 or 20 minutes to soak, while a coarse stone will become saturated more quickly. During the honing process, the stone's should also be kept moist.



    As the tool edge is sharpened small metal particles combine with loosened grit particles and the water wash to form a "slurry". This fine compound actually hastens the sharpening) process and helps produce a finer finished cutting edge. For fine polishing waterstones (6,000-8.000 grit), the formation of the slurry may be accelerated by the use of a Nagura stone.



    This special dressing stone is simply rubbed over the surface of the honing scone to wear off abrasive particles and suspend them in the water lubricant prior to actual honing. The Nagura can also be used to flatten small areas or rub out embedded metal particles that may appear in a stone. When honing is complete, the slurry is simply cleaned from the surface to assure a fresh, sharp start for your next honing. Tools being should also be wiped free of stone residue when changing stones. This ensures that the finer stones are not contaminated with coarser grit particles. A used waterstone should be flushed clean with water or left suspended in a water bath for a time to allow any leftover particulate matter to work free. Waterstones do not require storage in water, and care should be taken not to leave a waterstone in water when freezing conditions may occur.

    Surface flattening
    To flatten a worn waterstone, simply place a sheet of wet-dry sandpaper on a flat surface such as a bench top, piece of glass, tablesaw top, or flat cement floor. Use a paper with a grit appropriate to the stone being restored: a coarse water stone of 250 to 1,000 grit should be resurfaced with 180 to 220 grit paper; a polishing stone of 8,000 grit should be worked with at least a 400 grit paper. Rub the stone on the sanding surface in a circular motion to wear down tile high spots, taking care to keep the stone flat during resurfacing so the body of the stone wears evenly. A water wash can be utilizes) or the paper can be used dry. In order to maintain their grit integrity, waterstones of different grits should not be flattened on the same piece of paper. An increasingly popular method for resurfacing medium to coarse waterstones, especially larger stones such as those on the motorized grinders, is with the use of diamond honing stones. Diamond stones remain truly flat with use, providing a conveniently flat, abrasive surface to work waterstones in place. For owners of motorized waterstone grinders, a diamond stone may simply be held atop a rotating waterstone on the grinder to quickly renew a level honing surface. Again, use an appropriate diamond grit on your waterstone, as diamonds are extremely aggressive. A coarse diamond stone will chew up an 8,000 grit polishing stone in a hurry! When resurfacing is completed be certain to flush the slurry off both the waterstone and diamond stone.

    Here are some tips for buying Japanese waterstones.
    • If you need to remove a lot of metal fast, restore the damaged edge of a tool, or change the bevel on a blade, you'll want a stone in the 80 to 400 range.
    • For general purpose sharpening, a stone between 700 to 2000 will do the job. The finer stones, 1200 and 2000, are preferable if your tools don't have an nicks or other defects. The 800 is an good all-around choice if you sometimes need to sharpen nicked or heavily used edges.
    • For honing and polishing an edge, choose a stone in the 3000 to 8000 range.
    • Often you can get by with just a pair of stones: a medium grit stone (800, 1000, or 1200), and a finish stone (6000, 7000, or 8000). If you have to deal with damaged blades a lot, toss in a more aggressive coarse grit stone (240, 280, or 360).

    If you put oil on a waterstone, you will ruin it!

    If you live in a cold environment take care not to store your wet stones where they can freeze. If they freeze they will be reduced to a pile of useless rubble. You'll find that your stones might take a few days to completely dry, so during that time, they should be stored in a warm environment to prevent freezing.


    Hope you find this useful.
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    Re: Waterstones & Sharpening...

    Please feel free to add any tips specific to knife blades. How do you do it?
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    Martyn you're a godsend. The American equivelant to Japanese sharpening stone numbers has been driving me insane. Reading articles on American sites about sharpening but not understanding the coarsness of what they were talking about.

    :thanks:
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    You're welcome Jon. I think I'll make this a sticky.
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    A damn good article.

    Thanks Martyn
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    Re: Waterstones & Sharpening...

    Thanks Martyn, that's really helpful! Definately a sticky.



    I found this whilst looking for something on Arkansas stones

    www.antiquetools.com/sharp

    The whole site (www.antiquetools.com) is fascinating and the sharpening stuff is well laid out and interesting. The museum it belongs to sounds like an ideal place to spend a rainy afternoon.

    :approve:

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    Re: Waterstones & Sharpening...

    hey

    thanks for that Martyn.. great stuff.. more information for journeying to the dark side of sharpening..

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    Martyn, a question.
    The numbers on wet & dry paper or sandpaper that I see in B&Q etc here in the UK, is that American grading, Japanese grading or is there a special British Imperial grading system ? :confused:
    I just know your going to tell me its another system I have to get my head around.

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    Re: Waterstones & Sharpening...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jon
    Martyn, a question.
    The numbers on wet & dry paper or sandpaper that I see in B&Q etc here in the UK, is that American grading, Japanese grading or is there a special British Imperial grading system ? :confused:
    I just know your going to tell me its another system I have to get my head around.

    Jon.

    As far as I know Jon, the british grits are comparable to American. Most of the stuff is the same 3M etc - it's the same international company. Certainly in terms of belts for belt grinders, Brit/US values are the same. The Japanese stuff is out there on it's own AFAIK. At least that's my experience/take on it - anyone have any different info, I'd love to be corrected.
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    Re: Waterstones & Sharpening...

    :thanks: Martyn
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    Re: Waterstones & Sharpening...

    Er - not to contradict, but... AIUI, US grits track European more or less up to about 300 or so. After that, they diverge.

    http://www.ameritech.net/users/knives/grits.htm for example.
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    I would like to get a set of waterstones and advice on where to go would be great. Also any viable alternatives would be interesting as long as they won't break the bank. I'd be looking to pay around £15 a stone...

    Also mention anywhere you might know of in London as that is where i'm based.
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    I'd probably go for http://www.axminster.co.uk
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    Thanks Martyn and well timed!!!
    I just returned from a shooping trip with a handful of japanese stones....250, dual 800/4000 and 8000 then saw your post
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    Re: Waterstones & Sharpening...

    Great, I always wondered how the oil/water worked.

    I still have several questions:

    (1) I've read several articles, instruction leaflets and the Razor Edge sharpening book and seen the Sharpmaker video and they all advise a different pattern of honing.

    Circular to the tip
    Circular away from the tip
    Linear across the edge, up
    Linear across the edge, down
    Linear across the edge, down then finish with up
    Pull draw along the edge
    Figure eights
    Same sides
    Alternate sides
    Same then alternate sides
    Using the stone's flat
    Using the edge then the flat
    Using a flat action
    Using a curved action

    (1a) Does it really make a difference?

    (1b) Are some techniques specific to a diamond/ oilstone/ whetstone?

    (2) I'm careful to avoid applying too much pressure, but both my flat diamond hone and my diamond sharpmaker sticks are shedding sparklies and are beginning to develop bald spots. What am I probably doing wrong?

    (3) Everyone recommends a guide to lock in the edge angle. Yet the hand finished, convex edge on the CRK blades is beautifully sharp.

    (3a) There is no efidence that the final-final edge is guided, so how is it so sharp?

    (3b) How can they get a perfect 2mm polished with to the edge without marking the gun-kote?

    (3c) What can I do to duplicate it? (Other than return it to CRK).

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