Violent Crime Reduction Act and Airguns discussion

[Ropeman]

Hi Folks, The VCR came into effect as far as the mail order sales of air weapons on the 1st October. This post is to clarify the situation as it applies to the kind of sales we have on here i.e. it doesnt.

Essentially, if you are selling any air weapon component and it is your business you will have to deal face to face and you will need to be a registered firearms dealer. If you are selling your own, second hand property, you will be fine.

Sales of air weapons by way of trade or business to be face to face

(1) This section applies where a person sells an air weapon by way of trade or business to an individual in Great Britain who is not registered as a firearms dealer.

(2) A person is guilty of an offence if, for the purposes of the sale, he transfers possession of the air weapon to the buyer otherwise than at a time when both—

(a) the buyer, and

(b) either the seller or a representative of his,

are present in person.

(3) The reference in subsection (2) to a representative of the seller is a reference to—

(a) a person who is employed by the seller in his business as a registered firearms dealer;

(b) a registered firearms dealer who has been authorised by the seller to act on his behalf in relation to the sale; or

(c) a person who is employed by a person falling within paragraph (b) in his business as a registered firearms dealer.

(4) A person guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable—

(a) on summary conviction in England and Wales, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 51 weeks or to a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale, or to both; and

(b) on summary conviction in Scotland, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 12 months or to a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale, or to both.

(5) In relation to an offence committed before the commencement of section 281(5) of the Criminal Justice Act 2003 (c. 44), the reference in subsection (4)(a) of this section to 51 weeks is to be read as a reference to 6 months.

In short, if you are a dealer of airguns or a manufacturer of any of the major components of air weapons (including sound moderators) then you can't sell on here. If you want to sell your own second-hand airgun or component, you are fine.

EDIT: sorry folks, I thought I'd dropped out the discussion bit. Feel free to get into all those nitty gritty little corners of the legislation and theoretical situations that we all love so much

[razors]

Could you please give any indication of the new law re sending by mail,I believe mail order air weapon sales are now illegal,how about private sales?

[Ropeman]

I'm obviously not a lawyer so take any advice I give to be worth what you've paid for it.

All the reading I've done seems to suggest that private sales of second-hand air rifles etc are fine and can be carried out by mail. it is only dealer/manufacturer sales that are hit and those only in the UK so, you can buy from a French dealer via mail order but not a UK one.

[Cones]

If it is a private sale then you are fine sending items by mail just as before.

HTH

Mark

[spamel]

This whole law seems a bit silly to me! So a mail order site can no longer sell coorrectly chronoed legal air rifles if they are to be mailed, but you can pick up an untraceable second hand air rifle if you buy it second hand, after it has been probably tinkered with and the power upped so that it is over power! Where's the control in that?

[wanderingblade]

AAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH

A thread about silly laws and their total stupidity and imparactability - the Doc said avoid stress - quick wife, shut me in the cupboard and turn off the PC QUICK!!!

*superglues fingers togather to avoid typing*

[mirage]

This whole law seems a bit silly to me!

You expected a UK gun law to make sense?

What are you on?



mirage

[spamel]

You expected a UK gun law to make sense?

What are you on?



mirage

Drugs, evidently!



Well, at least this law will stop the criminals from being able to get their hands on air rifles!

[rapidboy]

I feel safer already

[dtalbot]

I feel safer already

But does this apply to you chaps across the sea????

[rapidboy]

But does this apply to you chaps across the sea????

We havent been able to buy anything here without a licence for years, everything is done through a dealer, even air pistols and 12 ftlb air rifles.
Everything is on ticket which is why most airguns here are FAC power.

[Ropeman]

I've certainly not committed any violent crimes since Saturday.

[Cones]

Apparently we can still mail order U.K. legal air rifles and pistols from dealers outside the U.K. with NO restrictions whatsoever? As the law only applies to the dealers that are located within and under U.K. law.

I predict a move of one or two of the mail order companies to France or similar in the not to distant future.

Mark

[Ropeman]

Apparently we can still mail order U.K. legal air rifles and pistols from dealers outside the U.K. with NO restrictions whatsoever? As the law only applies to the dealers that are located within and under U.K. law.

I predict a move of one or two of the mail order companies to France or similar in the not to distant future.

Mark

Oh yeah, definitely. I think there's a lucrative sideline here for Jerseyman

7daygunshop.com anyone?

[dtalbot]

Get that domain registered quick!