Vintage Sheffield folder's (pic heavy !)

[Iron Hoarder]

Nice one Paul. Is that a whittler pattern as well?

[paulrbarnard]

Their Trade Mark was ENCORE. Could that be it?

David

I gave it a bit of rub with a pencil eraser and it's a harp with a crown above it.

[paulrbarnard]

Nice one Paul. Is that a whittler pattern as well?

I'm not completely clear what makes a knife a whittler. The file blade is interesting in that the end is a small knife blade. It doesn't look like it has been done after manufacture, though my Granddad was a cabinet maker and certainly not opposed to modifying tools to make them work better for himself.

Edit: Google is my friend. I know know what a whittler knife is. Yes mine is a whittler. Anyone else as behind the times as me might like to know that it is a three bladed knife with one large blade at one end and two smaller ones at the other. The two smaller blades each have a spring while the large single blade uses both of the springs.

[dkonopinski]

I gave it a bit of rub with a pencil eraser and it's a harp with a crown above it.

Lovely mark. I've got ENCORE on a Sommelier knife by WWR. The mark may help pin down a date for you, but that's beyond me.

David

[Iron Hoarder]

I believe that is one of their older marks. The history of the company is rather interesting.

[OWDTOM]

Re the last four posts


1. The scales are jigged bone.
2. If it does in fact say Oil the Hinges not Oil the Joints then it's a very rare mark.
3. Encore was the mark of thomas Turner not Wingfield's.
4. Although (repeating) the Whittler is an American term for a three bladed knife which has two back springs; the master blade back square bearing on both and the two pen blades hinged at the opposite end bearing on one each, there are examples of four, five and six bladed knives with 'whittler' component parts. Whittler purists like all three blades to be 'cutters', but the not so choosy accept a nail file in place of one of the pen blades. The very end of the file is a nail cleaner/cuticle presser.
5. The Crown over Harp mark was registered in 1885 primarily for plated ware.
6. Turners bought the marks in 1898 and re-registered WW&R silver mark for its own use.
7. I suspect that the Encore mark on the Sommelier mentioned by David was made by Turners from residual WW&R stock.
T

[dkonopinski]

Re the last four posts


1. The scales are jigged bone.
2. If it does in fact say Oil the Hinges not Oil the Joints then it's a very rare mark.
3. Encore was the mark of thomas Turner not Wingfield's.
4. Although (repeating) the Whittler is an American term for a three bladed knife which has two back springs; the master blade back square bearing on both and the two pen blades hinged at the opposite end bearing on one each, there are examples of four, five and six bladed knives with 'whittler' component parts. Whittler purists like all three blades to be 'cutters', but the not so choosy accept a nail file in place of one of the pen blades. The very end of the file is a nail cleaner/cuticle presser.
5. The Crown over Harp mark was registered in 1885 primarily for plated ware.
6. Turners bought the marks in 1898 and re-registered WW&R silver mark for its own use.
7. I suspect that the Encore mark on the Sommelier mentioned by David was made by Turners from residual WW&R stock.
T

The silver scales on my Sommelier knife are by George Hape and hallmarked 1898. So that all fits with points 7 & 8. Thanks for the information, Tom. Priceless as ever.

David

[Iron Hoarder]

[paulrbarnard]

Re the last four posts


2. If it does in fact say Oil the Hinges not Oil the Joints then it's a very rare mark.

Nope my bad memory. It says Oil the Joints.

Fantastic information. Many thanks

[Iron Hoarder]

The stamp inside the scale of mine appears to be 21-32 or 37. I'm still in pursuit of the ever elusive Stan Shaw made folder.

[OWDTOM]

I'm still in pursuit of the ever elusive Stan Shaw made folder.

I have reminded him of his promise now that Christmas is out of the way.
T

[Iron Hoarder]

Today's haul. I haven't been out for months.
ColumnI
Watts 1942
IXL
Wallstaff &Manneford
J. Howarth
Joseph Allen
American advertising knife
Taylor
Whitford
Humphrey's Radiant
Illegible stamp

Column II
Sheffield England
Staniforths Value Recd
Sheffield England
James Deusna?
G. Marsden
Joseph Rodgers
Allen ?ukes (Tang is so small part of the stamp was ground away) Two blades
J.C. Vickery ( Advertising knife, bunch of numbers and address as well)
Ibberson
IXL
William Rodgers

[OWDTOM]

The Allen knife was made by George Allen and pre dates 1861 when the name changed to Allen & Son Duke Street Cutlers Works.

James Deusna? is James Dewsnap.
T

[Iron Hoarder]

Many thanks OWDTOM. Those two really puzzled me. I wish your mind was in a book I could buy.

[kerf]

Interesting thread this Only took the one pic of my older knives earlier when taking some shots of new Victorinox, so thought I'd post it now and probably come back to this thread and quote this post when I've got individual pictures.



From top to bottom:

Scrade jack 2 blade 3 1/2" closed
1904-48?
Stamped;
SCHRADE
CUT CO.
WALDEN. NY.


George Wostenholm jack, 2 blade, 3 5/8"
1945>
IXL GEORGE
WOSTENHOLM
SHEFFIELD
ENGLAND

IXL OIL THE JOINTS


Rodgers & sons jack, 2 blade.
1943
/!\ * +
1943

J RODGERS & SONS
6 NORFOLK St
SHEFFIELD
ENGLAND


George Wostenholm JACK, 2 BLADE, 3".
1945>
IXL GEORGE
WOSTENHOLM
SHEFFIELD
ENGLAND

IXL OIL THE JOINTS


John Yeomans Cowlishaw, MOP, fruit, 1 blade, 2 1/4".
1920


Wingfield Rowbotham Co. horsemans, 6iirc, 3 3/4".
1885-1898
crown above harp