Which brand Canoe knife ?

[mito0]

yeah, queen has never been good at honing for some reason.
D2 is definitely hard to sharpen, but 1095 is one of the easiest steels to sharpen and they're priced right.
my biggest problems with case have always been their bland, generic designs and their "mystery" steels. for whatever reason, they won't disclose the actual steels they use. instead, they come up with made up terms for them. that has always seemed shady to me.

[fluffy]

The Schatt and Morgans I have are in ats34 and still cutting when the D2 had blunted.
Which was not what I expected.
Saying that they were about 4 times the price.
Then again they look better too.

[TOM STRATTON]

I like the Case Baby Butterbean, which is a small canoe model.They fit in my watchpocket of my Levi's so don't get all scratched up like carrying a knife in front pocket.

[Mike Bowler]

I have a Kissing crane in my pocket blade less than 3" long so legal to carry in UK

[Franciscomv]

yeah, queen has never been good at honing for some reason.
D2 is definitely hard to sharpen, but 1095 is one of the easiest steels to sharpen and they're priced right.
my biggest problems with case have always been their bland, generic designs and their "mystery" steels. for whatever reason, they won't disclose the actual steels they use. instead, they come up with made up terms for them. that has always seemed shady to me.

The mistery steel thing is quite obnoxious.

I've never tried a 1095 Queen, I only have a couple of their D2 knives (which didn't require sharpening, that would have been fine, they needed grinding). I'll add one to my wish list.

[Noddy]

they won't disclose the actual steels they use. instead, they come up with made up terms for them..

My guess is that they change the actual steel (source/composition etc) regularly enough for them to need to blur the fact - so, TruSharp, CV and so forth stand in as general descriptors for a stainless and a non-stainless. Probably not mystery steels in the sense of trade secret a al Coca Cola, more the fact that from one run to the next, they aren't precisely certain what they will be using.

Total guess

I am not a great fan of case, but apart from some bad patches, they make pretty good knives, easily sharpenable, whatever the steel turns out to be (just like Victorinox, I suppose)

[Chibbi]

Finally came around to buying a Canoe knife (well, two actually ).

Decided to try a Rough Rider for EDC and a CaseXX Limited Edition for the display








Must say that I'm VERY impressed by the Rough Rider which at 1/4th the cost of the CaseXX seems almost equally good. I say equally 'cause the handle material of the CaseXX definitely feels better. Otherwise, equally sharp, equally nice feel to the opening and closing, equally sturdy built. No idea how the steel will hold up of course, since I only just got them. They are roughly the same size. (Rough Rider looks smaller in the pics, but that's just the way I took the pics) The Rough Rider is a tad thicker and heavier then the CaseXX. Also the shape of the main blade is a bit pointier then the CaseXX. So I'm not sure if it's the correct shape for a Canoe knife.

[TOM STRATTON]

I really trust the quality of Schatt & Morgan,but Case has a nice canoe its just the canoe etch on the blade is a turnoff to me.I also like their Baby butterbean which is a baby canoe but the South won on this one.only Southerners here in America know what a butterbean is...LOL

[paulm]

Interesting to see the pics of the RR alongside the Case.

Have to say I couldn't live with the cheap looking scales on that particular RR regardless of how good value it was, the Case just looks a whole load classier to my eye, but I suppose if you just wanted a low cost edc maybe the RR is fine for that.

I picked up a new RR on the bay recently and the handle slabs look great, MOP with a piece of abalone inset, forget the price but around £15 or so I think, but the blades are very skinny, they don't spring fully closed, and the fit and finish is poor generally. Maybe it's worth the money as a no fuss edc but not a patch on the various Cases, Kissing Cranes, Bokers or even Henckels that I've picked up along the way, although not all of those are canoes.

Faves are probably the Case xx damascus (barlow and whittler rather than canoe though) and the Kissing Crane, but not necessarily the cheapest and not therefore perhaps best value but I always enjoy handling and using them, whereas I don't think I'll bother with any more RR's !

Cheers, Paul

[Noddy]

Northwoods - they are always there with the D2 I feel so sure that they are made by Queen that I must be wrong

[Hector]

I only have 2 Canoe knives...
a Case CV in Amber bone and a Bulldog with nice stag.

The Case blades are much thinner and will therefore be easier to call 'scary sharp', since they are easier to keep sharp.


The Bulldog has thicker blades and is a heavier knife, but the carbon steel is so easy to sharpen.... I use one of those disposal nail file thingies that are designed for synthetic nails. They are cushioned and last a long time and weigh nothing, so they fit in the pocket and can be taken anywhere.

I quite like the canoes pattern. Especially the sunk bolsters; they sit nicely in the pocket, without any sharp bits to attract lint.

[Hukk]

My guess is that they change the actual steel (source/composition etc) regularly enough for them to need to blur the fact - so, TruSharp, CV and so forth stand in as general descriptors for a stainless and a non-stainless. Probably not mystery steels in the sense of trade secret a al Coca Cola, more the fact that from one run to the next, they aren't precisely certain what they will be using.

Total guess

I am not a great fan of case, but apart from some bad patches, they make pretty good knives, easily sharpenable, whatever the steel turns out to be (just like Victorinox, I suppose)

I'm not a great fan of Case either BUT I do like Case CV steel. It is a modified 1095, essentially 1095 with Chromium and Vanadium added. This is one of the more common carbon steels in the cutlery industry, however it is rarely called by 50100-B - the true name of the steel. Cold Steel calls it Carbon V, Camillus calls it 0170-6C, and Case calls it "chrome vanadium", or CV. Here is a link from which I got my information http://www.cutleryscience.com/review....html#C_50100B The authors compare 50100-B with W7, but I don't know about that - I also don't know much about W7 other than what's in my Heat Treater's Guide. The 1095 comparison makes far more sense to me.

Performance of this common (likely the most common of all cutlery steels) cutlery steel will of course vary because each company heat treats the steels differently.

Case uses so much of the Tru-Sharp stainless that they probably have it made just for them. Since it's known to be a High Carbon Stainless Steel it is probably 420 HC stainless Steel. The steel is very common and Cheap.

[silverpete]

Yes the Queen canoe knives do come with blunt edges, but once you have got a good edge on the blade they are excellent knives and beautiful finished. Having said that I was going to say look for a Case canoe which is what you bought, they are also great knives and more easily available.

Peter

[Bazza]

I'm on the lookout for a canoe and must say the Queen model is very appealing, however why buy a knife that's blunt, is it some sort of liability protection on their part?

Barry

[Draven]

I'm on the lookout for a canoe and must say the Queen model is very appealing, however why buy a knife that's blunt, is it some sort of liability protection on their part?

Barry

I've wondered that myself, the edges that come on Old Hickory knives are about 1mm thick. To be honest, I assumed that it was because they wanted a thicker edge for heat treat, and didn't want the bother of having to grind them down again with a slow grinder so as not to ruin the HT. But that's just a guess and I don't know if it fits for other companies...

More on topic, I got a Rough Rider canoe last week and love it Brilliant EDC, nice and non-threatening, and small enough that you won't notice it in your pocket until you need it.

Pictured with my RR Elephant's Toenail.
The fit and finish on the scales is great, the springs are nice and tight with a reassuring click on opening. finish between springs is also good, and the blades are supurb, with great edge retention through the bit of whittling and box cutting I've done with it - I had no idea 440 could be as good as this.

Excellent value for money, Rough Rider and Svord Peasants are the Moras of pocket knives IMO.

Good to see the pics of the Rough Rider with the Case too!

Pete